Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV/COVID-19)

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34089610/

Naturally Acquired SARS-CoV-2 Immunity Persists for Up to 11 Months Following Infection

Lasts longer than a booster!

I'm double vax'd but continuing to scapegoat the unvax is not helpful.

New case counts are 82% fully vax and 16.5% unvax. Hospitalizations are 49% vax and 47% unvax. So to blame the entire pandemic outcomes on unvax is not logical.

What is your source of case counts ?

[littledan]

Just pulled it off the AB.ca site

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...ccine-outcomes

Bottom line, if we could vaccinate our way out of Covid the pandemic would be officially over by now. Yes I understand that if those last 15% of the population are responsible for a little under half of the hospitalizations but there are still hospitalizations occurring in the fully vax. So you can't eliminate it entirely through vaccination. So why not try and treat the disease in the early stages and prevent a portion of those hospitalizations from ever reaching the hospital.

[Buster]

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Just pulled it off the AB.ca site

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...ccine-outcomes

Bottom line, if we could vaccinate our way out of Covid the pandemic would be officially over by now. Yes I understand that if those last 15% of the population are responsible for a little under half of the hospitalizations but there are still hospitalizations occurring in the fully vax. So you can't eliminate it entirely through vaccination. So why not try and treat the disease in the early stages and prevent a portion of those hospitalizations from ever reaching the hospital.

damn 03's

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Just pulled it off the AB.ca site

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...ccine-outcomes

Bottom line, if we could vaccinate our way out of Covid the pandemic would be officially over by now. Yes I understand that if those last 15% of the population are responsible for a little under half of the hospitalizations but there are still hospitalizations occurring in the fully vax. So you can't eliminate it entirely through vaccination. So why not try and treat the disease in the early stages and prevent a portion of those hospitalizations from ever reaching the hospital.

You have scroll down the page and look at hospitalization by age and that will tell the story you are looking for …

[killramos]

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Just pulled it off the AB.ca site

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...ccine-outcomes

Bottom line, if we could vaccinate our way out of Covid the pandemic would be officially over by now. Yes I understand that if those last 15% of the population are responsible for a little under half of the hospitalizations but there are still hospitalizations occurring in the fully vax. So you can't eliminate it entirely through vaccination. So why not try and treat the disease in the early stages and prevent a portion of those hospitalizations from ever reaching the hospital.

Stick to working on cars.

Wait, which moron are you again?

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It’s so weird siding with @kertejud2

[ThePenIsMightier]

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It’s so weird siding with @kertejud2

If you NegRep him/her, it eases the pain. Sort of restores a balance.

[Pauly Boy]

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Who thinks AB will announce another lockdown in the next 2 weeks or less? Will drink a pour of whiskey every night in preparation.

Time stock up on toilet paper again,

[Disoblige]

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Time stock up on toilet paper again,

I thought it was pressure transmitters in 2022.

[pheoxs]

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Just pulled it off the AB.ca site

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...ccine-outcomes

Bottom line, if we could vaccinate our way out of Covid the pandemic would be officially over by now. Yes I understand that if those last 15% of the population are responsible for a little under half of the hospitalizations but there are still hospitalizations occurring in the fully vax. So you can't eliminate it entirely through vaccination. So why not try and treat the disease in the early stages and prevent a portion of those hospitalizations from ever reaching the hospital.

You sure are a special kind of dumb. Let's look at those hospitalization numbers.

Age 80+: 492 fully vaccinated vs 392 unvaccinated. (With 93-94% of the age range double vaccinated)
Rate per 100k: 384 fully vaccinated vs 4,193 unvaccinated.

So per person there's over 10x as many unvaccinated 80+ people in the hospital. If all of those idiots were vaccinated that 392 would be ~36 people in hospital (using the vaccinated per 100k rate).

Age 70-89: 339 full vaccinated vs 646 unvaccinated
Rate per 100k: 138 vs 6,350

So per person there's over 50(!) times as many unvaccinated 70-79 year olds in the hospital. If all of these idiots were vaccinated those 646 people would amount to just 15 people taking up a hospital bed.

Those two age ranges alone there are a thousand unvaccinated idiots in the hospital when it should only be about 50 based on their portion of the population. That's why people are blaming it on the unvaccinated. Freeing up a thousand hospital beds is a massive difference. And it continues throughout the age range.

60-69: Per capita there is 60 times more unvaccinated people in the hospital.
50-59: Per capita its 50x as many
40-49: Per capita its 50x as many again
30-39: it's 30x
12-29: it's 25x

Across the border a small portion of the population is taking up far more resources than the rest.

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You sure are a special kind of dumb. Let's look at those hospitalization numbers.

Age 80+: 492 fully vaccinated vs 392 unvaccinated. (With 93-94% of the age range double vaccinated)
Rate per 100k: 384 fully vaccinated vs 4,193 unvaccinated.

So per person there's over 10x as many unvaccinated 80+ people in the hospital. If all of those idiots were vaccinated that 392 would be ~36 people in hospital (using the vaccinated per 100k rate).

Age 70-89: 339 full vaccinated vs 646 unvaccinated
Rate per 100k: 138 vs 6,350

So per person there's over 50(!) times as many unvaccinated 70-79 year olds in the hospital. If all of these idiots were vaccinated those 646 people would amount to just 15 people taking up a hospital bed.

Those two age ranges alone there are a thousand unvaccinated idiots in the hospital when it should only be about 50 based on their portion of the population. That's why people are blaming it on the unvaccinated. Freeing up a thousand hospital beds is a massive difference. And it continues throughout the age range.

60-69: Per capita there is 60 times more unvaccinated people in the hospital.
50-59: Per capita its 50x as many
40-49: Per capita its 50x as many again
30-39: it's 30x
12-29: it's 25x

Across the border a small portion of the population is taking up far more resources than the rest.

This needs to be a stacked chart.

[Xtrema]

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We need to stop scapegoating the unvaccinated to move past this pandemic. Double and triple vax are still catching omicron so I fail to see the correlation with unvax being to blame for our current situation. Yes, being vaccinated reduces severe outcomes. But so does having antibodies from natural exposure.

We are not going to vaccinate our way out of this problem. It is time to look at early treatment of infections and let omicron rip. Treat people early so they dont develop into hospital/icu cases. The current "treatment" of stay home until your oxygen levels are low enough to need an ambulance ride is 50% of the problem. We are just dumb lucky that omicron has mutated into an upper respiratory infection.

There are significant statistic is that unvaccinated is putting 5-10x more strain on hospitals on every wave and they increase the infectious period which prolong/speed up the spread. I think scapegoating them is warranted.

The only problem they are accommodated is we are not letting immigrants in or having babies fast enough to replace them in the workforce.

Look vaccination is a choice but every choice should have consequences. You do the crime, you do the time. You are unvaxxed, you should be lower priority in the health care system as you have done nothing to help secure it other than bitching why there are no resources.

EDIT: Pheoxs got the real detailed numbers.

[littledan]

Alright alright stop picking on me with data and logic. Once omnicron rips through the genpop then basically all albertans will be "vaccinated" either with vaccine or with natural immunity from contracting the virus. So in theory this is all a moot point and by March 1 pandemic is over*.

*bodycount TBD based on # of unvaccinated individuals & comorbidities at start of omnicron wave

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Alright alright stop picking on me with data and logic. Once omnicron rips through the genpop then basically all albertans will be "vaccinated" either with vaccine or with natural immunity from contracting the virus. So in theory this is all a moot point and by March 1 pandemic is over*.

*bodycount TBD based on # of unvaccinated individuals & comorbidities at start of omnicron wave

To accomplish that the hospitals will take a big hit. As such we will continue to scapegoat the unvaccinated.

[littledan]

Is there that much dry tinder left in the province?

4.4 million total pop.
7.7 million doses administered
looks like 3.5 million w/ at least 1 dose
So that leaves ~900k unvaccinated people in the province
Total cases confirmed to date is 380k with Hinshaw estimating 4-6x actual cases for each confirmed case so probably around 1.5 to 2.3 million cases to date
So my rough estimate of people left without either a vaccine dose or a natural exposure would be somewhere between 500k and 600k people depending on the amount of overlap between vaccinated and infected.
The case rates /100k people are for 120 days so that would include mostly delta infections and probably not be accurate for omicron. If omicron is impacting the lungs 1/10 the amount that delta or OG strain then we might be OK even with 0 restriction and just let omicron rip.

[Buster]

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Is there that much dry tinder left in the province?

4.4 million total pop.
7.7 million doses administered
looks like 3.5 million w/ at least 1 dose
So that leaves ~900k unvaccinated people in the province
Total cases confirmed to date is 380k with Hinshaw estimating 4-6x actual cases for each confirmed case so probably around 1.5 to 2.3 million cases to date
So my rough estimate of people left without either a vaccine dose or a natural exposure would be somewhere between 500k and 600k people depending on the amount of overlap between vaccinated and infected.
The case rates /100k people are for 120 days so that would include mostly delta infections and probably not be accurate for omicron. If omicron is impacting the lungs 1/10 the amount that delta or OG strain then we might be OK even with 0 restriction and just let omicron rip.

Only time will give us the answer to that question.

[ExtraSlow]

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It’s so weird siding with @kertejud2

Happens to me too, feels weird.

[ExtraSlow]

Omicron will infect nearly everyone one way or the other. This may end up being a blessing if it confers any lasting protection against the next couple of variants. It also may do some good if it convinces any significant portion of the unvaccinated to get a jab or two.

We need to get to an "endemic" status for this thing, on a political level more than any epidemiological level. That would mean removing most of the temporary public health measures, and keeping only those that are tolerable to our economy and society for a long-term.

We may find that there are some long-term modifications to our health care system that are required. Honestly, that's a conversation I think all of Canada needs to have in any event.

[Xtrema]

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Omicron will infect nearly everyone one way or the other. This may end up being a blessing if it confers any lasting protection against the next couple of variants. It also may do some good if it convinces any significant portion of the unvaccinated to get a jab or two.

Omi gives some protection from Delta, that's why it's stamping Delta out and become dominate strain.

Omi give no protection from Beta which isn't spreading wide beyond SA.

Too early to know about French IHU, but WHO say don't worry about it.

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

My sister, who had caught the alpha variant, and then was double vaxxed, caught Omicron. So I guess natural immunity didn't help either.