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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Am I missing something about Sweden, doesn't seem that bad there.
    https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/12/...rategy-working

    There is a chart in the link. Sweden adopted the herd immunity approach - some legality issues. I'm not sure if that's what I would classify as faring well.
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    Switzerland and the Netherlands should be on that chart but that doesn't support the alarmism.

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    Of course there's going to be a lot of deaths in Sweden, it's how herd immunity works. Higher in the beginning, lower in the end. We'll only know if it actually worked when this is "over". At least it will be a lesson for the world, with either result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    Of course there's going to be a lot of deaths in Sweden, it's how herd immunity works. Higher in the beginning, lower in the end. We'll only know if it actually worked when this is "over". At least it will be a lesson for the world, with either result.
    Yes! Tis true. I, for one, am glad that they are not testing that here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Rural_Juror View Post
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    Yes! Tis true. I, for one, am glad that they are not testing that here.
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntan View Post
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    Switzerland and the Netherlands should be on that chart but that doesn't support the alarmism.
    I like Trevs B and your even your unhealthy skepticism...but Netherlands and Switzerland are doing worse on a death per 1M basis.

    From Worldometer
    Netherlands - 165
    Switzerland - 130
    Sweden - 91
    Denmark - 49
    Norway - 25
    Finland -11
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Rural_Juror View Post
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    I like Trevs B and your even your unhealthy skepticism...but Netherlands and Switzerland are doing worse on a death per 1M basis.

    From Worldometer
    Netherlands - 165
    Switzerland - 130
    Sweden - 91
    Denmark - 49
    Norway - 25
    Finland -11
    Yes... and they're under lockdown.

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    If I am remembering correctly, there are 20 people dead in Mackenzie Towne. Perhaps ask their families?

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    They took action long after other countries. It was well documented especially in Switzerland's case.

    It's quite simple. How can the virus spread if we don't contact each other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Rural_Juror View Post
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    If I am remembering correctly, there are 20 people dead in Mackenzie Towne. Perhaps ask their families?

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    They took action long after other countries. It was well documented especially in Switzerland's case.
    I think you truly misunderstand what the lockdown is supposed to accomplish.

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    Switzerland's response from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_c...in_Switzerland

    On 27 February, following the confirmation of COVID-19 cases in the region, Graubünden cancelled the Engadine Skimarathon.[21]

    On 28 February, the Federal Council banned events involving more than 1000 people in an effort to curb the spread of the infection.[27][28] Multiple events such as carnivals and fairs were either postponed or cancelled. Geneva Motor Show,[29] Baselworld,[30] Bern Carnival and the Carnival of Basel were cancelled.[31] University of Bern replaced all face-to-face lectures with more than 250 attendees with online lectures.[32]

    On 6 March 2020, the Federal Council announced a 'changed strategy' with a focus on the protection of the most vulnerable individuals, i.e., older persons and persons with pre-existing conditions.[33]

    On 13 March 2020, the Federal Council decided to cancel classes in all educational establishments until 4 April 2020, and has banned all events (public or private) involving more than 100 people. It has also decided to partially close its borders and enacted border controls.[34][35][36] The canton of Vaud took more drastic measures, prohibiting all public and private gatherings with more than 50 people, and closing its educational establishments until 30 April.[37][38]

    On 16 March 2020, the Federal Council announced[39] further measures, and a revised ordinance.[40][41][42] Measures include the closure of bars, shops and other gathering places until 19 April, but leaves open certain essentials, such as grocery stores, pharmacies, (a reduced) public transport and the postal service.[43]

    The government announced a 42 billion CHF rescue package for the economy, which includes money to replace lost wages for employed and self-employed people, short-term loans to businesses, delay for payments to the government, and support for cultural and sport organizations.[44]

    On March 20, the government announced that no lock down would be implemented, but all events or meetings over 5 people were prohibited. Economic activities would continue including construction.
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    I think you truly misunderstand what the lockdown is supposed to accomplish.
    Educate me sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Rural_Juror View Post
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    It's quite simple. How can the virus spread if we don't contact each other?
    What we are doing does not reduce R0 to zero. At best, it reduces it by half. The long lineups at places don't help and drastically reduce the effectiveness of SD. We are now congregating at grocery stores and Costco instead of restaurants and bars.

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    Switzerland's response from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_c...in_Switzerland



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    Educate me sir.
    Did you even read what you quoted?

    And, if you want R0 to be zero, then absolutely everybody would have to stay inside by themselves (so that intrafamilial contact doesn't happen) for 2-3 weeks.

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    Netherland's "Intelligent Lockdown": https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuac.../#48d563063557

    In a national address to the Dutch nation on Monday, March 16th, Prime Minister Mark Rutte said his country would aim to develop immunity to the novel coronavirus among its population by allowing large numbers to contract the illness at a controlled pace.
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    If Sweden is having a similar number of deaths, but just sooner, then that's an excellent trade-off for keeping the economy going. If they have a much higher death toll long term, then it's debatable.
    They seem to be doing really reasonably well with <100 deaths per day, but the trend keeps changing, so it's hard to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntan View Post
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    Did you even read what you quoted?
    Sure did. Let's just call me stupid, illogical, and get the quota of name calling out of the way so we can smile for the rest of the day. This is a stressful time for all and I trust our health system on this particular topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Rural_Juror View Post
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    Netherland's "Intelligent Lockdown": https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuac.../#48d563063557
    Nothing like linking to an article from March 27.

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    Sure did. Let's just call me stupid, illogical, and get the quota of name calling out of the way so we can smile for the rest of the day.
    The lockdown started sooner than the portion you bolded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Rural_Juror View Post
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    If I am remembering correctly, there are 20 people dead in Mackenzie Towne. Perhaps ask their families?

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    They took action long after other countries. It was well documented especially in Switzerland's case.

    It's quite simple. How can the virus spread if we don't contact each other?
    to be fair, it's easy enough to lock down a care facility without locking down the entire city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    to be fair, it's easy enough to lock down a care facility without locking down the entire city.
    That is true. It's not just old people dying. But we appear to be in a loop with this discussion.
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    Maybe don't use a very unfortunate incident in a potentially controllable care facility to justify locking down the city? Not sure what to tell you.

    For the record, I think we need to be social distancing. Look at regions like NYC, Northern Italy, Spain for ideas on what will happen if we don't slow it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    I don't know if there's any appetite for higher costs to pay for better care.
    Some of these places cost $3000+/month.
    Seriously. For 3 weak ass meals per day and a bus to drive you to casino or mall once a week.

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    At this point it's becoming apparent that asymptomatic people do not spread the virus, or if they do it's for a very short period of time.

    Serological testing around the world also seems to show that at any given time, 2% of those sampled are infected. Places like Italy and Germany are showing ~15% have antibodies.

    Kinsa map also showing a drop in fevers:

    https://healthweather.us/?mode=Observed

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