Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV/COVID-19)

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Former FDA Commissioner Exposes how CDCs 6 Foot Social Distancing Guideline was Recommended with Little to No Science Behind it

“And you write, the six feet was arbitrary?” asked Face the Nation host Margaret Brennan.

“The six feet was arbitrary in and of itself,” Gottlieb answered.

“But if the administration had focused in on that, they might have been able to effect a policy that would have actually achieved their outcome. But that policy making process didn’t exist, and the six feet is a perfect example of sort of the lack of rigor around how CDC made recommendations.”

Gottlieb went on to explain the CDC’s six-foot distancing guideline was recommended with little to no science behind it.

“Nobody knows where it came from. Most people assume that the six feet of distance, the recommendation for keeping six feet apart, comes out of some old studies related to flu, where droplets don’t travel more than six feet. We now know COVID spreads through aerosols. We’ve known that for a while, so how operative is that?”

Gottlieb says instead of changing along with the science, the CDC’s guidelines changed seasonally.

“The CDC said 10 feet, it should be 10 feet, but 10 feet was no more right than six feet and ultimately became three feet. But when it became three feet, the basis for the CDC’s decision to ultimately revise it from six to three feet was a study that they conducted the prior fall. So they changed it in the spring. They had done a study in the fall where they showed that if you have two masked individuals, two people wearing masks, the risk of transmission is reduced 70 percent with masks if you’re three feet apart. So they said on the basis of that, we can now make a judgment at three feet is an appropriate distance. Which begs the question, if they had that study result in the fall, why didn’t they change the advice in the fall? Why did they wait until the spring?”

The former FDA commissioner said the constant revisions are what have led the American public to lose confidence in the institution.

“This is how the whole thing feels arbitrary and not science based. So we talk about a very careful, science-based process and then these anecdotes get exposed, and that’s where Americans start to lose confidence in how the decisions got made.”

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When are booster shots due for someone? Ontario might lift rules in March 2022(?), which is nice.

Curious how Canada will deal with countries with increasing cases after fully vaxxed rules are now in play.

UK cases are rising and they were one of the first places to have little to no restrictions.

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Do we have one week left before Thanksgiving numbers count as a statistic, or is it done?

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When are booster shots due for someone? ?

I'm going to follow the pro athletes lol If Tom Brady gets it, so will I.

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"Booster" shots probably have less of a clear cut timeline than shots 1 and 2 for healthy persons with no serious risk factors. Somewhere in the 6-8-10 month range from 2nd shot probably, although I think that has the potential to change quite a bit as we learn more.

Thanks buddy for the shout-out.

As for Thanksgiving, if you consider that the holiday was over on the 11th, and it's been 14 days since then, and we haven't seen indications of a notable uptick of cases or hospitalizations, I'd say it was a non-event. The superspreader anti-vax-rural crowd probably were already doing all their risky things before that holiday, and the more careful types were probably still somewhat careful, and mostly vaxxed.

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I'm going to follow the pro athletes lol If Tom Brady gets it, so will I.

So long as it's not Evander Kane

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"Booster" shots probably have less of a clear cut timeline than shots 1 and 2 for healthy persons with no serious risk factors. Somewhere in the 6-8-10 month range from 2nd shot probably, although I think that has the potential to change quite a bit as we learn more.

Thanks buddy for the shout-out.

As for Thanksgiving, if you consider that the holiday was over on the 11th, and it's been 14 days since then, and we haven't seen indications of a notable uptick of cases or hospitalizations, I'd say it was a non-event. The superspreader anti-vax-rural crowd probably were already doing all their risky things before that holiday, and the more careful types were probably still somewhat careful, and mostly vaxxed.

Yeah, that makes sense. My morbid theory is also that people who were prone to die already did or going to, so we're just lingerers

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My morbid theory is also that people who were prone to die already did or going to, so we're just lingerers

Very true, selection bias (AKA survivor bias) is a very real thing in many kinds of statistics, but especially in public health stuff.

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Which country(ies) did the no restriction early on? Curious how their data went. I foresee just one giant sharkfin then tiny blips.

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We are all dying a little bit day by day.

Shit man.

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Which country(ies) did the no restriction early on? Curious how their data went. I foresee just one giant sharkfin then tiny blips.

Sweden YOLO'd and their numbers are higher than some European countries that had more restrictions, and also lower than some other European countries that had more restrictions.

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Sweden YOLO'd and their numbers are higher than some neighboring countries that had more restrictions, and also lower than some other neighboring countries that had more restrictions.

That definitely tells me that culture/social dynamics play a part in the transmission, which we all know how it goes.

More restrictions + hugging/kissing = doesn't matter

More restrictions + loner = win

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More restrictions + loner = win

= Therapy lol

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= Therapy lol

Nothing wrong with that, my dude. Stay strong!

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Therapy is great. People should embrace it.

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The rapy is great. People should embrace it.

Not everyone can afford an "art" room.

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That definitely tells me that culture/social dynamics play a part in the transmission, which we all know how it goes.

More restrictions + hugging/kissing = doesn't matter

More restrictions + loner = win

Ware dus da groryhole fit into marth?

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Ware dus da groryhole fit into marth?

Isn't that part of hugging? With your mouth?

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We are all dying a little bit day by day.

Damn, dog. Ain't that the truth.