Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV/COVID-19)

[SKR]

[killramos]

New bar for TL DR that’s for sure.

[taemo]

so whats the deal with travel with kids?

Americans can come with their unvaccinated kids to Canada without having to quarantine, yet Canadians when they come back from US/international travel have to quarantine their unvaccinated kids?

[Tik-Tok]

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TLDR, Rona is started by a British dude in a Chinese lab funded by (fully/partially) US and UK tax money?

The Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people,
under the supervision of the reverse vampires.

In reality though, does it matter? Even if proven, there would be zero liability held, and zero repercussions. As if every government doesn't have a biological warfare division going on.

[redline]

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so whats the deal with travel with kids?

Americans can come with their unvaccinated kids to Canada without having to quarantine, yet Canadians when they come back from US/international travel have to quarantine their unvaccinated kids?

That is gone for us now as well

[ZenOps]

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1228963.shtml

Its reasonable to ask for. The USA has afterall created the most deadly nuclear and chemical weapons (greater than 1 million casualty weapons) of the last century. To assume that China all of a sudden trumped the USA in biological is a bit of a stretch.

The USA has never had any hesitancy to drop things on other countries at will.

[born2workoncars]

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TLDR, Rona is started by a British dude in a Chinese lab funded by (fully/partially) US and UK tax money?

Basically:

- Messaging is sent out with core group of scientists backing up 'no way this was ever a lab leak/this is racist/100% natural origins'
- A couple names are willfully omitted to escape obvious 'conflict of interest'
- Messaging is designed to make any scientific body investigating lab leak appear to be 'conspiracy theory crazy'
- News outlets pick this up and deliver messaging effectively
- Lab Leak theory is effectively marginalized and suppressed
- Fast forward to Feb/2021-ish - Lab Leak theory is now back on the table (not sure what caused this U-Turn outside of certain voices continuing to speak up)
- This original letter is then broken down, and the majority of signatories are proven to have direct conflicts of interests
- Of those without conflicts, most at the least reverse their position on 'certain its not lab leaked', with some saying it's likely/highly probable virus escape from the Wuhan lab through negligence
- Pretty stellar U-Turn considering 'there was no way this was leaked from a lab, trust science'

This matters because if science was the cause of the pandemic, maybe it's time we shut down gain-of-function research and start letting some of the perpetrators experience real consequence (despite the pessimism, this could be a real outcome).

This isn't solely a Chinese catastrophe - the Wuhan lab was/is funded by several entities, including American non-profits.

[Xtrema]

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This isn't solely a Chinese catastrophe - the Wuhan lab was/is funded by several entities, including American non-profits.

Peter Daszak. That's all anyone needs to read up on. So far basically WHO has only ask the guys who create this mess to investigate themselves.

China will not allow an independent investigate on its soil. They barely let Daszak do anything after they know they got him on their side. As political rhetoric heats up, it's even more unlikely you'll find cooperation.

China will not let the truth be known because it could be a country ending event.

[Buster]

Eventually China's regime will end up in a shower of sparks. Personally, I am not looking forward to it, as China being a POS communist country probably benefits me more than harms me.

[Xtrema]

Well, there goes the border opening....

Border reopening plan facing roadblock as thousands of border officials consider strike action
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbs...rder-1.6108358

Weber said the union is fighting primarily for three things: salary parity with other law enforcement workers in Canada, better protections against harassment and discrimination, and a remote work policy for non-uniformed members.

[Buster]

Someone wake up Ronal Reagan. We need to fire them all.

[killramos]

More Front line workers mad about being asked to work again?

Quelle surprise.

[kertejud2]

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Someone wake up Ronal Reagan. We need to fire them all.

The federal workforce steadily rose under Reagan. Few hundred thousand more federal government employees by the end of his term. Didn’t start shrinking until Clinton got in, then rose again (post 9/11 government expansion with multiple wars and DHS being created, but even Obama had fewer federal employees than Reagan). Government spending (both nominally and as a %of GDP) also rose significantly under Reagan along with the deficit and debt. The guy talked a lot about reducing government, but actions and words are very different things. Had to outspend the communists and win the war on drugs and that ain’t cheap.

Few presidents have done more to aid in the expansion of government jobs.

[Buster]

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The federal workforce steadily rose under Reagan. Few hundred thousand more federal government employees by the end of his term. Didn’t start shrinking until Clinton got in, then rose again (post 9/11 government expansion with multiple wars and DHS being created, but even Obama had fewer federal employees than Reagan). Government spending (both nominally and as a %of GDP) also rose significantly under Reagan along with the deficit and debt. The guy talked a lot about reducing government, but actions and words are very different things. Had to outspend the communists and win the war on drugs and that ain’t cheap.

Few presidents have done more to aid in the expansion of government jobs.

How did the ATCs feel about his employment plan?

[kertejud2]

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How did the ATCs feel about his employment plan?

The old ones obviously weren’t happy but their replacements were thrilled with the higher wages and better benefits that came out of it all the same.

If it increases wages and benefits, go for it and replace all the border agents. What’s the downside?

[Buster]

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The old ones obviously weren’t happy but their replacements were thrilled with the higher wages and better benefits that came out of it all the same.

If it increases wages and benefits, go for it and replace all the border agents. What’s the downside?

I don't care what people get paid, as long as their compensation is exposed to market forces. But then why would the union be excreting threats for the Border Agents.

[kertejud2]

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I don't care what people get paid, as long as their compensation is exposed to market forces. But then why would the union be excreting threats for the Border Agents.

What the PATC strike showed was that the threat of a strike was more effective than an actual strike.

They got greedy. The FAA caved to so many demands on the threat of a strike that the PATC thought they could get more. Their bluff was called, and when they found out they didn’t have a legal fight they lost. Reagan won the battle but lost the war since the FAA had already caved to what the new market was for ATC salaries and now they desperately needed people to fill the roles.

Ever since the most effective unions have been is during the threat of a strike. You don’t lose public support as long as you’re showing that you’re trying to avoid a strike. Being this close to re-opening the border and having it be put in jeopardy because of a potential strike? That puts pressure on the government more than it does the border agents. Could there be a better time to threaten action than when there’s a lot of pent up anger at the government about the border re-opening with an imminent election?

[Buster]

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What the PATC strike showed was that the threat of a strike was more effective than an actual strike.

You're arguing against yourself again.

[kertejud2]

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You're arguing against yourself again.

Oh right, I need to dumb it down for you.

Why do unions make threats?

Threats work.

Mind-blowing stuff, I know.

[Team_Mclaren]

wait... people still thinks Unions work in 2021?