Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV/COVID-19)

[DonJuan]

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What color is your belt is all I care. @DonJuan

This guy knows. I'm a menial green because I refuse to drink more of the company kool-aid than my compensation determines. I also have a talent for recognizing corporate propaganda BS.

[zechs]

https://tnc.news/2022/11/09/denying-...d-transplant1/

Pay taxes your entire life for "universal" healthcare, be denied organ transplant. Nice.

[jutes]

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https://tnc.news/2022/11/09/denying-...d-transplant1/

Pay taxes your entire life for "universal" healthcare, be denied organ transplant. Nice.

What is this TNC site? Seems legit. Universal healthcare in Canada is a failed experiment at this point, demolish it and start over.

[zipdoa]

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What is this TNC site? Seems legit. Universal healthcare in Canada is a failed experiment at this point, demolish it and start over.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...splant-surgery
https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-...tion-1.6144214

The Canadian Press
Updated Nov. 8, 2022 3:10 p.m. MST
Published Nov. 8, 2022 1:15 p.m. MST
SASKATOON - Alberta’s Court of Appeal has upheld the requirement that eligible transplant recipients be vaccinated against COVID-19, saying the stipulation did not violate the charter rights of a woman who refused to get a dose.

That is fucked up.

[kenny]

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https://tnc.news/2022/11/09/denying-...d-transplant1/

Pay taxes your entire life for "universal" healthcare, be denied organ transplant. Nice.

Technically she wasn't denied a transplant, she just isn't the highest priority recipient due to her vaccination status.

[zechs]

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What is this TNC site? Seems legit.

True North is ran by a former Global News columnist Andrew Lawton. Not exactly some crank conspiracy theory site.

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Technically she wasn't denied a transplant, she just isn't the highest priority recipient due to her vaccination status.

It's a precondition to get the transplant, so you are flatout wrong. She can not get a transplant without the covid drugs, regardless of where on the list she is. Defintion:

Deny - refuse to give or grant (something requested or desired) to (someone).

She was denied a transplant. The worst part of this is not the denial, but being retroactively told so. I hope Smith steps in.

Major problem with the technocratic movement of governance supported by the judiciary.

[Xtrema]

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That is fucked up.

Think of it this way. It's a limited resource and investment in time and money. If you have a high risk of dying from COVID anyway, bottom of pile you go.

Pretty sure there will be tons of other pre-req other than COVID vax to get you up that list.

[suntan]

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If you have a high risk of dying from COVID anyway, bottom of pile you go.

She's 90 years old?

[Xtrema]

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She was denied a transplant. The worst part of this is not the denial, but being retroactively told so. I hope Smith steps in.

In March 2021, however, Lewis was told she would need to receive a COVID-19 vaccination to maintain her place on the list. Lewis refused — despite having all other required vaccines — calling the shot “experimental” and saying it violated her conscience. She was moved to the bottom of the list last November, where she remains.

She is still on the list, just not the spot she was before COVID.

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“This is not the first time medical judgments about allocation of scarce resources have been made in the face of competing needs,” the court wrote. “While such decisions are doubtless exceedingly difficult, they nevertheless must be made.”

“In this case, the charter does not apply to the (doctors’) exercise of clinical judgments in formulating pre-conditions to organ transplant, including requiring vaccination against COVID-19 in the wake of the pandemic.”

“We are not persuaded this court can, or ought to, interfere with generalized medical judgments or individualized clinical assessments involving Ms. Lewis’ standard of care,” it concluded. “While Ms Lewis has the right to refuse to be vaccinated against COVID-19, the charter cannot remediate the consequences of her choice.”

The court sounds reasonable as that's not the place for medical judgements.


Smith won't step in. She ain't touching this one since it's in home turf. It'll be Supreme Courts problem then she'll pipe up about it.

[vengie]

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Think of it this way. It's a limited resource and investment in time and money. If you have a high risk of dying from COVID anyway, bottom of pile you go.

Pretty sure there will be tons of other pre-req other than COVID vax to get you up that list.

Problem with this line of thinking is its only being applied to not being Covid vaxxed.

People are receiving knee replacements, livers, kidneys, hearts etc while having other "lifestyle" choices that will ensure they are back on the table for another transplant in a few years.

Our medical system is broken.


Only good news for this woman is if she does indeed die her family is going to be rich as fuck suing AHS.

[Tik-Tok]

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Problem with this line of thinking is its only being applied to not being Covid vaxxed.

It isn't though. She needed ALL available vaccinations. Not just Covid.

[DonJuan]

The EDM Journal article mentioned that part of the reasoning was an increased risk of mortality of 25-30% of transplant patients who got covid.
Maybe that added to the inherent transplant mortality risk put her past the viable threshold?

This is a very sad case. Deciding to live with a terminal medical condition over living with the side effects of a vaccine (real or imagined).

[jutes]

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This is a very sad case. Deciding to live with a terminal medical condition over living with the side effects of a vaccine (real or imagined).

Choices have consequences. Ironic that the patient won't get vaccinated over unknown side effects, but has no problem being put under with unknown drugs and receiving a transplant that comes from an unknown person. The stupidity of society will naturally correct itself.

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

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Problem with this line of thinking is its only being applied to not being Covid vaxxed.

People are receiving knee replacements, livers, kidneys, hearts etc while having other "lifestyle" choices that will ensure they are back on the table for another transplant in a few years.

Our medical system is broken.


Only good news for this woman is if she does indeed die her family is going to be rich as fuck suing AHS.

Knee replacements aren't waiting on donors. As for the rest, they have other pre-conditions. They won't transplant a liver to an alcoholic unless he's sober.

While finding the charter did not apply to the case, the court nevertheless went through and dismissed each of Lewis’s claims that the vaccine requirement violates her rights to life, liberty and security of the person.

The justices also rejected Lewis’s claim the requirement violates her right to equality before the law, which protects against discrimination on the basis of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability. Lewis argued the section protects her on the basis of “medical status” — a claim the court of appeal dismissed.

[zipdoa]

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Choices have consequences. Ironic that the patient won't get vaccinated over unknown side effects, but has no problem being put under with unknown drugs and receiving a transplant that comes from an unknown person. The stupidity of society will naturally correct itself.

Is there robust data and RCT’s demonstrating the efficacy of Covid jabs in modern area omicron-Covid? No. And big pharma has no intention of finding out.

The problem with all this is it falls back to the ‘Covid jabs are stopping Covid’ mantra.

It’s bullshit, and the reason Pfizer et all haven’t run any RCTs on boosters and bivalent jabs is because the evidence is lacking. Hey! These 8 mice produced some neutralizing antibodies! Good enough to deny you a transplant!

So yeah, requiring this person to be injected with mRNA under the guise of dubious demonstrable benefit is nuts. I wouldn’t be surprised if AHS still mandated the vaccine for transplant priority despite recovering from a Covid infection.

The fact that the Covid jabs still have any influence on what you can/can’t do in life is bonkers.

[jutes]

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Is there robust data and RCT’s demonstrating the efficacy of Covid jabs in modern area omicron-Covid? No. And big pharma has no intention of finding out.

The problem with all this is it falls back to the ‘Covid jabs are stopping Covid’ mantra.

It’s bullshit, and the reason Pfizer et all haven’t run any RCTs on boosters and bivalent jabs is because the evidence is lacking. Hey! These 8 mice produced some neutralizing antibodies! Good enough to deny you a transplant!

So yeah, requiring this person to be injected with mRNA under the guise of dubious demonstrable benefit is nuts. I wouldn’t be surprised if AHS still mandated the vaccine for transplant priority despite recovering from a Covid infection.

The fact that the Covid jabs still have any influence on what you can/can’t do in life is bonkers.

I agree, however you need to look at it on an individual basis. This person is on their death bed and won't get a life saving transplant because of the vaccine and what the internet says. If they want to put their beliefs ahead of their own life, then so be it. They'll be dead long before courts rule on it. I would take the vaccine and move on with the transplant. Judging by their health condition, any vaccine side effects is the least of their concern.

[DonJuan]

@Zipoda This is what you need to investigate:

"They cited a national consensus statement — developed in November 2021 and subsequently accepted by all Canadian transplant programs — which found a 25-30 per cent mortality rate in patients infected with COVID post-organ transplant."

I put this in the same category of people who refuse blood transfusions because of religious beliefs. My 2c

[rage2]

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Covid without masks in a closed space has a 90% transmission rate just by breathing, no sneezing required.

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Fascinating, show me the science behind the 90% transmission rate

It's funny, as someone who was actively trying to catch covid before travelling, it's surprisingly difficult to actually catch it. I've been in close contact with COVID+ people for 30+ mins in closed space (locker room) many times, even slept in the same room with COVID+ family in the house. It took 3rd time before I caught it, and it was mild. Had no symptoms either. I was testing daily for 2 months just for shits and giggles.

We had kids that we didn't know was sick until a random check out of curiosity, who spent time with other kids at birthday parties, hockey camps. None of their friends caught it either.

Purely anecdotal, just funny observation.

[suntan]

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@Zipoda This is what you need to investigate:

"They cited a national consensus statement — developed in November 2021 and subsequently accepted by all Canadian transplant programs — which found a 25-30 per cent mortality rate in patients infected with COVID post-organ transplant."

I put this in the same category of people who refuse blood transfusions because of religious beliefs. My 2c

But getting the "vaccine" doesn't stop you from getting covid.

[ExtraSlow]

Our health system is based on the concept of limiting access and permanent shortages. Gatekeeping is required under that system, and lots of people never get the transplants.