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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    You perform a critical, valuable service. But to answer your question: I have no idea how to assign a dollar value to it.
    I've tried to put myself in the thought of what is it you're accountable for, how big are the autonomous decisions you're making, and what are the consequences of those decisions. To me, in this regard I'm vastly underpaid. Societally you'd think more emphasis would be put on people in these roles. It comes down to people really misunderstanding the roles many of these health care providers perform, the requirements to be able to perform them, and the knowledge they possess to be able to do them. Paramedics aren't ambulance drivers. Nurses aren't butt wipers. People can't seem to ever understand (or willfully ignore) the scopes of practice and professional requirements and obligations of the advanced practitioners constantly being painted as "playing the victim" or under attack for where they live or what they drive. Like WTF. Because I'm a public servant I should be driving a 15 year old Echo, anything else is apparently out of my station and I should be wary of pissing off the benz driving class elite.

    And I was not fishing for a pat on the back.

    If any of you think its so easy, and so lucrative, get your butts back to school for another 4 years, get through 4-8 practicums, finish all of your provincial licensure examinations and requirements, sign yourself up for liability insurance because you know, people come after your homes! Maintain excessive yearly continuing education requirements to satisfy the HPA and your professional body, and beat yourself up with mandatory overtime and barely eating, constant complaints from people who just think they "know better" about the care they received, flip shifts, never knowing if payroll is going to be correct (thanks AHS!) and never being able to plan something after work! I'm sure they won't be able to handle the barrage of your applications all at once.

    Yes I'm mad.
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    A friend of my mine just shared that one of his long time friends died of Covid. He wasn’t vaccinated, 3 days in the hospital and ended up dying from lack of oxygen. No underlying conditions.

    So sad.

    Get vaccinated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 89coupe View Post
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    A friend of my mine just shared that one of his long time friends died of Covid. He wasn’t vaccinated, 3 days in the hospital and ended up dying from lack of oxygen. No underlying conditions.

    So sad.

    Get vaccinated!
    how old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    how old?
    In his 60’s

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboMedic View Post
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    I've tried to put myself in the thought of what is it you're accountable for, how big are the autonomous decisions you're making, and what are the consequences of those decisions. To me, in this regard I'm vastly underpaid. Societally you'd think more emphasis would be put on people in these roles. It comes down to people really misunderstanding the roles many of these health care providers perform, the requirements to be able to perform them, and the knowledge they possess to be able to do them. Paramedics aren't ambulance drivers. Nurses aren't butt wipers. People can't seem to ever understand (or willfully ignore) the scopes of practice and professional requirements and obligations of the advanced practitioners constantly being painted as "playing the victim" or under attack for where they live or what they drive. Like WTF. Because I'm a public servant I should be driving a 15 year old Echo, anything else is apparently out of my station and I should be wary of pissing off the benz driving class elite.

    And I was not fishing for a pat on the back.
    I wasn't giving you a pat on the back. I was stating a fact. I also don't have any answers on how to determine the value of people who perform critical roles in the public service. I will say that so much of the public service are useless rent-seeking, tax stealing twats that it is unfortunate the rightful vitriol sent their way catches you in the crossfire.

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    In his 60’s
    Sounds like his underlying conditions was being dumb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    I wasn't giving you a pat on the back. I was stating a fact. I also don't have any answers on how to determine the value of people who perform critical roles in the public service. I will say that so much of the public service are useless rent-seeking, tax stealing twats that it is unfortunate the rightful vitriol sent their way catches you in the crossfire.
    How is it crossfire when the vitriol literally names those who are working those front line roles? I put less than passing thought on the comments of people saying "must be union people" or anything vague, I get it, there are hundreds of jobs under the union or public sector umbrella. I'm calling out because these comments are specifically referencing front line colleagues for being overpaid and worth less. The comments literally slag front line nurses on the last page, and then get applauded by a number of other people?
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    I can see how crappy it is to be in that type of situation. At the end of the day, the bottom line is you are in a thankless job (for the most part).

    I was a volunteer firefighter for 6.5+ years. I saw dead people, I been on calls back-to-back for 12 hrs+ in -30C weather, been involved with forest fires, etc. It is absolutely a thankless job. But you do it because you see value in it, and you kinda like being in that type of role. It's not for everyone, that's for sure... For the record, if I had to do it as a full time job, I wouldn't. It isn't worth it to me, especially considering the risks and pay. I hear stories of what EMS deals with, especially in rural communities, and it makes me shudder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboMedic View Post
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    How is it crossfire when the vitriol literally names those who are working those front line roles? I put less than passing thought on the comments of people saying "must be union people" or anything vague, I get it, there are hundreds of jobs under the union or public sector umbrella. I'm calling out because these comments are specifically referencing front line colleagues for being overpaid and worth less. The comments literally slag front line nurses on the last page, and then get applauded by a number of other people?
    I mean that a large majority of the public spending in this country is inefficient bullshit, and it has poisoned the well for the truly productive, critical components of the public sector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonytiger55 View Post
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    The same could be said for unions. The issue is nothing to do with nursing or bargaining, or even shortage of medical professionals. They are paid very very well.
    Ive posted on this issue before. There is no shortage of nurses. Ive sat at round tables with elected officials to hear immigrant medical professionals who cannot get into the system. The stories they tell. The system is biased in hiring those born in Canada first even though two people are Canadian and equally qualified. A nurse spent months if not a few years going through the system of immigration, English testing, then finally getting to a nursing program to re-train only to be told her English certificate had expired and she cannot apply for the program. How the hell does english expire? A client of mine was a well established paediatric surgeon who is now a Uber driver. What a waste.
    The hiring through an agency is the result and not the cause.

    Do you really think these immigrant nurses/doctors will complain about the working conditions or wage? If left to the market it solves the medical professional shortage issue, and drives wages down. Then BOOOM. Overnight your Ugg boot wearing, lulu Lemon legging, hair in a bun, no makeup, white toe nail with rescue dog Canadian born nurses with a new three bedroom house who drive a brand new jeep wrangler with a maxed out line of credit go extinct. Thats not good for the unions. They lose their cash cow.

    I don't think the government is innocent in all this either. It creates a mandate for the closet marxists and right wingers within Conservative party to introduce privatisation with healthcare.
    But I think the unions have a lot to answer for when it comes to inflating wages, protectionism, creating artificial barriers so this problem does not get solved. Thus making medical professionals run to nuzzle on the ample bosom of victimhood at the Union.
    Who hurt you?

    I know more than a handful of nurses and they do alright for themselves but are not the stereotype thrown around here of rolling in cash from taking advantage of the OT system AHS has forced on them. Most I know would prefer it went away in exchange for consistent schedules.

    Immigrants struggling to transfer there credentials is hardly a new problem and certainly not limited to health care.... on the Dr front it seems all to easy to get credentials and if rate MD is a barometer when hunting for A GP for the fiancée it's becoming harder and harder to find one who isn't from a country with little to no respect for women.
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    Today at school I watched a guy reply to being asked to wear a mask like he's supposed to by loudly proclaiming that covid is "all bullshit", and then get outsmarted by two pop machines.

    They really are the dumbest group of people.
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    Restaurants fucked.
    Thanks anti-Vax cunts. Hurry up and die!
    Edit - oops... Ok for the non-retarded to still eat indoors.

    Oh, and no fitness.
    Just go die!!!!

    Casino's still ok, Yo.
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    Fuck glad I booked anniversary dinner for the 19th…

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKR View Post
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    Today at school I watched a guy reply to being asked to wear a mask like he's supposed to by loudly proclaiming that covid is "all bullshit", and then get outsmarted by two pop machines.

    They really are the dumbest group of people.

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    Ha this is the stupidest province, ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    Restaurants fucked.
    Thanks anti-Vax cunts. Hurry up and die!
    Edit - oops... Ok for the non-retarded to still eat indoors.

    Oh, and no fitness.
    Just go die!!!!

    Casino's still ok, Yo.
    Restaurants & Fitness facilities allowed to continue business if they implement a vaccine passport proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 89coupe View Post
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    Restaurants & Fitness facilities allowed to continue business if they implement a vaccine passport proof.
    I thought I heard him say group fitness was fucked and fully closed.
    Am I wrong?
    *I hope so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    I thought I heard him say group fitness was fucked and fully closed.
    Am I wrong?
    *I hope so.
    Businesses that implement the Restrictions Exemption Program would operate as usual, provided they are serving only people who have proof of immunization or who have a recent privately-paid negative test, as per the requirements in place.
    This means they could immediately and without restriction serve any individual eligible for vaccination who

    https://www.alberta.ca/covid-19-publ...h-actions.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    I thought I heard him say group fitness was fucked and fully closed.
    Am I wrong?
    *I hope so.
    I think it’s ok if gym implementes passports

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    Well fuck.

    Either implement a vaccine system and lose half our staff and clients or we close.

    Either way looks like we are heading towards closing for good.

    Pretty fucked up situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vengie View Post
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    Well fuck.

    Either implement a vaccine system and lose half our staff and clients or we close.

    Either way looks like we are heading towards closing for good.

    Pretty fucked up situation.
    What kind of business are you that you think you'll lose half your staff and clients? Calgarys vaccination rate is over 80%. And a number of people will suck it up and get their shots to keep their jobs.

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