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    Thoughts on the direction of the AB government to allow coal mining in AB.

    Personally, I am leaning towards being alright with it.

    Grassy mountain will be great for the economy of the pass
    No issue with getting the product to international markets
    diversifies the provincial economy
    probably some spill over to jobs in Calgary

    Lots of concerns with selenium leaching, like what's happening in the elk valley, but hopefully there are techniques for new mines to prevent that from happening in the first place.

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    I'm all for it.

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    Albertans: "We want jobs! we want industry! stop cancelling our projects!!"

    Also Albertans: "Cancel projects! not in my backyard! Rare breeding ground for the Sasquatch!!"

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    Saying “leave it in the ground” is a Pretty slippery slope to stand on considering this country’s essential complete reliance on the resource sectors.

    It’s messy. Make sure it’s cleaned up and done with reasonable care. Aside from that as long as people are buying we might as well be selling.

    Saying “leave it in the ground” might as well be synonymous with “we don’t really want universal healthcare”
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    It’s a hard no from me, tearing up the most beautiful strip of the Province, serious question about water quality at the source of a lot of the provinces drinking water all for what amounts to mice nuts added to the economy

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    Mice nuts sounds like a pretty good contribution in 2021.
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    Canadians are like a mafia wife. They're vaguely aware that their lavish lifestyle comes from something dirty, but they would still rather not be involved or see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    Canadians are like a mafia wife. They're vaguely aware that their lavish lifestyle comes from something dirty, but they would still rather not be involved or see it.
    Excellent analogy.
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    Not sure if that's BS or not, I think people are ok with oilsand type of surface mining but not the mountain stripping type of mining?

    But seems like rancher is more worry about water pollution.

    Why a thread today? Isn't this a non-story now that UCP cancelled the whole thing?

    The question is, why do we need an Australian middle man to sell to the Chinese which is where all these coal going to ultimately ends up anyway for steel production.

    And since we all hate the CCP gov and Chinese money, why pollute our environment for them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    Lots of concerns with selenium leaching, like what's happening in the elk valley, but hopefully there are techniques for new mines to prevent that from happening in the first place.
    There aren’t. But Teck has been “working on it” for at least a couple decades. So any day now I’m sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    Why a thread today? Isn't this a non-story now that UCP cancelled the whole thing?
    Seems that was more of a bait and switch with only a handful of the most recent leases canceled that make up a small fraction of planned development with no real back pedal on policy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    Why a thread today? Isn't this a non-story now that UCP cancelled the whole thing?
    They cancelled the lease expansions on Category 2 land. Not the ones people have been concerned about like Grassy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    There aren’t. But Teck has been “working on it” for at least a couple decades. So any day now I’m sure.
    Little tough to do when the initial infrastructure was built in 1845....

    But like, new projects starting from scratch will probably have the same issues as Teck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    They cancelled the lease expansions on Category 2 land. Not the ones people have been concerned about like Grassy.
    Ah, fell for it.

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    But like, new projects starting from scratch will probably have the same issues as Teck.
    I think they want the mining companies to put it on paper that it won't happen but they can't guarantee it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    Why a thread today? Isn't this a non-story now that UCP cancelled the whole thing?
    Guess the bait and switch worked..

    Reverting of the coal policy with no consultation and having the tourism minister and environment minister tout red tape reduction in writing to Australian coal companies to get a piddly 1% royalty (like ~30 million a year [hey that number sounds a lot like the war room?]) is an embarrassment.
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    If I had any faith in the Alberta government to have acceptable regulations and make fair value for destroying such an area I could get behind it. But I don’t so I don’t support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    I think they want the mining companies to put it on paper that it won't happen but they can't guarantee it.
    Can you guarantee you're not going to get hit by a car when you cross the street?

    No, but when the correct actions are taken, and correct systems are in place, the probability will be significantly reduced

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubhead View Post
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    It’s a hard no from me, tearing up the most beautiful strip of the Province, serious question about water quality at the source of a lot of the provinces drinking water all for what amounts to mice nuts added to the economy
    "A lot" of the provinces drinking water? You can't be serious.

    And tell me when the last time was that you were out to this beautiful strip of our province. I don't mean the mountains in general, I mean literally the actual place they're going to dig up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vengie View Post
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    Can you guarantee you're not going to get hit by a car when you cross the street?

    No, but when the correct actions are taken, and correct systems are in place, the probability will be significantly reduced
    Well if AER ain't neutered and actually have proper funding/punishment in place, I probably won't mind. But given how big a of shit show AER is and anything AER dishes out is considered anti-business and being generally toothless, hate to see one of the most scenic area get decimated.

    And I still don't get why the Australians are here. The Chinese ban only started a few months ago and I'm glad Australia's lost is our gain but I rather prefer China get coal shortage to let their businesses feel the impact of stupid CCP policies that's causing power outages and steel production disruptions.
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    Hard no. I appreciate and support our resource based economy, but having spent considerable time in that specific area, in my view we should be sensitive to the location of development projects. I have 0 faith this can be done in an environmentally sound way, and its likely going to result in the destruction of the water quality of that whole region. Teck is a great example.

    Lithium I can certainly back, although I doubt the extraction of that is any more environmentally sound. At least you can spin it in that you're making Teslas...

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