Oil and Gas - The Great Crew Change - thoughts?

[ExtraSlow]

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disagree whole heartedly. From Devon to CNRL it was like heaven to hell.

There's a bunch of beyonders who made that transition. We should have a meetup.

[finboy]

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disagree whole heartedly. From Devon to CNRL it was like heaven to hell.

A buddy of mine echoed similar sentiments, sounds like Devon people he knows are continually streaming out to other opportunities

[ExtraSlow]

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A buddy of mine echoed similar sentiments, sounds like Devon people he knows are continually streaming out to other opportunities

For sure, but that just means it's different. Lots of Devon people were coddled babies. Or at least I was.

[never]

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For sure, but that just means it's different. Lots of Devon people were coddled babies. Or at least I was.

Yeah, I know a couple of long term CNRL folks and they seem happy with the company.

[ExtraSlow]

The great crew change is hitting other "heavy" industries like mining:
https://www.mining.com/over-79000-jo...decade-report/

[Supa Dexta]

With the avg age of a farmer being 55 nowadays, it's also gonna hit there.

[bjstare]

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With the avg age of a farmer being 55 nowadays, it's also gonna hit there.

Yeah in like 25 years, when they reach the age at which normal farmers start to slow down their pace.

[Supa Dexta]

No, most 'farmers' are actually already at that age.. But canada is including all these new age hippies with a goat, 4 chickens and a llama as 'new farmers', which is skewing the numbers. The actual productive farmers are much older.

[dimi]

CNRL has always been a relatively lean and very well managed operation. I say relatively, because you could still take a long lunch, 2 coffee breaks and get your work done stress free. I actually thought the pace was kind of slow, hence why I left. Having chatted with some acquaintances that used to work at Devon, I’m not even sure what they actually did all day.

[msommers]

I've heard the biggest complaint is lack of gym lol

[ExtraSlow]

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I've heard the biggest complaint is lack of gym lol

Classic.

[killramos]

Was Devon unionized or something?

[ExtraSlow]

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Was Devon unionized or something?

Funny enough, UniFor is doing a union drive at Devon Jackfish right now. I think the results of the vote are coming out in the next couple of weeks.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...cnrl-1.5342808

[ExtraSlow]

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The great crew change is hitting other "heavy" industries like mining:
https://www.mining.com/over-79000-jo...decade-report/

Similar issues in Construction industry:
https://www.on-sitemag.com/labour/mi...de/1003966847/

Need some coronavirus to speed this us . . . lol. Or is that in poor taste?

[Misterman]

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I think these days contracting is actually less lucrative then employee positions. Base pay close to equal, but no benefits, unpaid vacations, and lots of unpaid time off between contracts seems to be the norm now.

It really depends. A lot of people consider themselves a contractor, even though they get a T4 from the company they contract through. So they are actually just employees, without any of the security and benefits of being an employee.

For actual contractors, you basically need to be earning like 50% more on your hourly, by comparison to a T4 employee for it to be even/lucrative. Once you factor the vacation pay, benefits, pension. Personally I am WAY more lucrative as a contractor. But that's not the norm, as projects continue to be cancelled, contractors will struggle more and more. Only those of us with great networks and reputation will continue to find lucrative gigs. And even though I expect myself to do well contracting in the future, I'm just getting sick of the grind and looking to settle into another employee gig where I can waste away until I die or get rich at something else.


As for the umbrella of this thread, I get the impression a lot of people's idea of O&G is just the small part of it that is drilling. As someone who has been in O&G for 20 years, I've never set foot on a drill rig.

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disagree whole heartedly. From Devon to CNRL it was like heaven to hell.

Same thing I've heard from my connections working there. Also at Albian Sands when they made the switch.

But in context of the entire industry, you're at a solid company that isn't going anywhere, and have more security than just about anywhere else. If CNRL offered me a job at a camp site, I'd be signed up in a heart beat. Finally be moved to BC and enjoying my time off.

[ExtraSlow]

Super Necro-bump, still sort relevant to demographics in the oil and gas industry.
I had a former co-worker reach out to me to see if I had any pipeline into new-grad engineers. He's at a pretty small place, but they need "two or three right away." So yeah, if anyone knows junior or new grad engineers or eng techs who are interested in an opportunity, reach out. Would be fully WFW job, in Calgary with maybe some field.

[JfuckinC]

Steam welders, very hard to come by. Construction crews all together right now. They're just not getting young guys coming up to work like they used to i guess.

Also finding good drafters, lots left the industry last time it slowed down and don't wanna come back.

[vengie]

Electrical
Instrumentation
PLC Programming
Etc...

Very hard to find.
No one is entering trades anymore, and the really good ones command an insane premium or head south of the border.
I have many roles I am hiring for and can't find anyone decent.

Perhaps I will start an electrical apprenticeship and program PLC's...

Wild times.

[suntan]

Not surprising considering how hostile the current federal gov't is towards O&G.

[mr2mike]

But I haven't seen salaries rise to attract more either.
Companies are pretty frugal on salaries but great at giving you an internal promotion of 2 job per 1 salary.