2020 US Election mega thread

[Misterman]

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They are actually pretty transparent about the data they use, and the methodology. You are welcome to research, and dismiss as you see fit. It's a lot mroe comolicated than any kind of "popular vote" poling, even though that's what it's based on.

I don't care enough to go investigate their methods. Obviously this election is going to be close, and the results will be what they will regardless what the pollsters say. But it's just weird that as Trump continues to gain ground in places like Florida, that are a must win, this graph continues to show his chances dwindling, instead of reflecting his advancements.

[Antonito]

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One thing is for sure, had HRC been running this year - any negative mass media/social coverage of her would not have been allowed like it was in 2016 - for eg. her health and the email debacle.

It would have been much more suppressed in the same manner as the biden debacle has been. Much more controlled now.

It'd be a lot harder to call bullshit on the director of the FBI than it is on Rudy Giuliani

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Someone clearly doesn’t understand the difference between trump owing a bunch of money vs corporations owned by trump owing a bunch of money haha.

It’s fun watching the crazy narratives this last week on both sides as shit gets more intense. Still lacking compared to last election, but I guess it’s hard to beat getting peed on by hookers.

[Buster]

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What isn't clear about it? When he borrowed that money he agreed beforehand to pay it back by X date. He runs most business into the ground including his golf and hotel resorts, and now he can't repay the loans. His towers are by far his most valuable assets, and the debt collectors or banks will seize them if he doesn't pay. Most likely he will have to give up those properties or sell his few profitable ones just to pay off the debts on the ones he ran into the ground.

The concerning part is that nobody knows who some of that money is owed to - imagine having that kind of leverage over an ex president, especially one who openly shares National Security info and gives family members with zero experience intelligence clearance that nobody in those positions has ever received before.

I'm not sure you know how loans in the business/corporate world work.

[ExtraSlow]

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It’s hard to beat getting peed on by hookers.

QFT and posterity.

[revelations]

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Someone clearly doesn’t understand the difference between trump owing a bunch of money vs corporations owned by trump owing a bunch of money haha.

It’s fun watching the crazy narratives this last week on both sides as shit gets more intense. Still lacking compared to last election, but I guess it’s hard to beat getting peed on by hookers.

no no no, thats clearly russian disinformation!!! /s
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Random trump video of him getting absolutely mocked by Seth Meyes at the official WH correspondence dinner back in 2011 - he was PISSED.

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[The_Rural_Juror]

Ya man. His corp debt wouldn't show up on his personal tax returns. Everyone trying to be frickin accountants now.

[vengie]

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Looking forward to President Harris in a year or so.

6 months. Max.

This is who the Democrats want to run the country but know she wouldn’t win head to head against trump.
So they use Biden as a puppet and a name to win the election, use his declining health and cognitive issues as the excuse to move Harris into office.

[rage2]

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Most of these reports state that this is Trump's personal debt and that the Deutsche Bank loans (totaling hundreds of millions) were "personally guaranteed" by Trump, which is why they can go after his other assets and force personal bankruptcy, etc. The reason is because he has already defaulted on billions of corporate debt and it's hard for him to find mainstream lenders outside of the shadowy underworld.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...curity-threat/

The billion dollar debt is a combination of personal loans as well as corporate loans. It’s just that billion dollars sounds way better without context. Regardless, his assets far outweigh his debt, so sure shit might come due, but it would be zero risk for banks to refinance them. It sure, let’s spin it into potential bankruptcy.

It’s like saying Elon Musk is broke because he’s got a billion in personal loans.

[Buster]

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Most of these reports state that this is Trump's personal debt and that the Deutsche Bank loans (totaling hundreds of millions) were "personally guaranteed" by Trump, which is why they can go after his other assets and force personal bankruptcy, etc. The reason is because he has already defaulted on billions of corporate debt and it's hard for him to find mainstream lenders outside of the shadowy underworld.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...curity-threat/

I'm not an expert on Trump's personal situation - mostly because I'm not interested that much. But a quick google search seems to indicate that his debt ~$1 billion or so secured against a variety of assets. It seems that these assets might be worth ~$2.5 billion and are probably throwing off enough cash flow to service the debt. So his LTV is about 40%. That's not a ton of leverage. If he can't find financing to roll over his debt, then he can take time to liquidate assets in a non-firesale manner, de-leverage even more and be fine.

The idea that he has debt "due in three years !!11!!!!1!" is just people talking about shit they don't understand. Debt has an amortization or some form of repayment obligation, and then it has a term. This is to the benefit of the Borrower as well, as they have the ability to shop their financing at the end of the term (and long terms have higher yields). So in a couple of years, as they debt comes due, his CFO will shop around for lenders to see who has the best terms on the notes/bonds that are due. This is like, the most basic shit ever. If nobody wants to refinance his 40% LTV, then he gets some temp financing at a higher rate, sells some shit, and takes out the bridge. Or he just keeps offering higher yields on his debt until someone bites.

[Power_Of_Rotary]

This isnt much of a topic. Everyone has debt, its not like he has a negative networth. Even bill gates has "debt" from his credit cards lol.

[Darkane]

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I'm not an expert on Trump's personal situation - mostly because I'm not interested that much. But a quick google search seems to indicate that his debt ~$1 billion or so secured against a variety of assets. It seems that these assets might be worth ~$2.5 billion and are probably throwing off enough cash flow to service the debt. So his LTV is about 40%. That's not a ton of leverage. If he can't find financing to roll over his debt, then he can take time to liquidate assets in a non-firesale manner, de-leverage even more and be fine.

The idea that he has debt "due in three years !!11!!!!1!" is just people talking about shit they don't understand. Debt has an amortization or some form of repayment obligation, and then it has a term. This is to the benefit of the Borrower as well, as they have the ability to shop their financing at the end of the term (and long terms have higher yields). So in a couple of years, as they debt comes due, his CFO will shop around for lenders to see who has the best terms on the notes/bonds that are due. This is like, the most basic shit ever. If nobody wants to refinance his 40% LTV, then he gets some temp financing at a higher rate, sells some shit, and takes out the bridge. Or he just keeps offering higher yields on his debt until someone bites.

How dare you!

But he owes so much and it’s coming due!! Some greasy back alley mobster is going to break his toupee’s thumbs.

[The_Rural_Juror]

It's not so much about debt as it is about leverage, influence, and non-disclosure. Jimmy Carter peanut farm.
Come on man!

[ThePenIsMightier]

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How dare you!

But he owes so much and it’s coming due!! Some greasy back alley mobster is going to break his toupee’s thumbs.

I Read about this., so true.
He gone be cut up inna peaces and put in a box.

[ExtraSlow]

First you put his dick in the box.

[Pacman]

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First you put his dick in the box.

[Mitsu3000gt]

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I'm not sure you know how loans in the business/corporate world work.

Who said all the debt was 100% personal or 100% corporate? I haven't read that anywhere. It's a mix of both. From what I understand, about $420M is personally guaranteed.

[Buster]

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Who said all the debt was 100% personal or 100% corporate? I haven't read that anywhere. It's a mix of both. From what I understand, about $420M is personally guaranteed.

Again, you don't know how things work.

There are a variety of reasons he might have to personally guarantee debt - not all of them are obvious, not all of them are what they appear. And a guarantee is not the same as debt. A Borrower and Guarantor are distinct statuses and should not be interchanged.

Stop googling shit and then clicking on the WP or NYT links. Bad for your brain.

[duaner]

Vote for Pedro!