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    Quote Originally Posted by CompletelyNumb View Post
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    Strange that you assume it will be unfair towards Trump winning. Why not the other way around?

    I'm expecting a Trump victory none the less, and I'm prepared to mute social media for a few weeks afterwards to avoid the online backlash and diatribe between the factions. US politics are greasy.
    Unless you are blind its pretty clear to see a lot of Trumps support is collapsing. He was handed a re-election guarantee on a silver platter with covid and all he had to do is let the medical experts run the show and he would've been golden but instead he's running the states into the ground.

    As to why I think it'll be unfair towards Trump winning? Constant attacks on mail in ballots, appointing a new head of USPS and now all of a sudden mail backlogs are struggling, how badly districts are gerrymandered to make the electoral college favor one side.

    Have you ever looked at some of their voting districts?

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    Gerrymandering is a scourge, but has Trump even really made it that much worse? It's been happening for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Gerrymandering is a scourge, but has Trump even really made it that much worse? It's been happening for decades.
    He hasn't done anything but republican states are typically the worst for districting. It's given the republicans an advantage in the electoral college. Hence loosing the popular vote but winning the electoral college last election which I'd argue makes the election less fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    He hasn't done anything but republican states are typically the worst for districting. It's given the republicans an advantage in the electoral college. Hence loosing the popular vote but winning the electoral college last election which I'd argue makes the election less fair.
    Can't argue with that. I think they need a rule that the area-to-exterior length ratio can only go up during changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Can't argue with that. I think they need a rule that the area-to-exterior length ratio can only go up during changes.
    Districts are being redrawn after this election which is why 2020 is actually a really huge year. Tbh Trump imploding now could actually pave way for the democrats to level the playing field and win a lot more future elections too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabad66 View Post
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    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1291679225657929728

    Lulz. What a moran

    You’d think these guys would be better at reading from teleprompters by now.
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    What's funny is that Democrats would probably win almost every election if every American citizen had an equal weight to their vote, or if they had an objectively perfect voting system like ranked choice. I am pretty sure each Republican president in the last 20 years (and perhaps longer) has lost the popular vote but won due to gerrymandering and the electoral college.

    The Dems certainly aren't innocent, it's just that the GOP is 10X worse for doing shady/illegal things like blatant voter suppression and blocking every single mutually beneficial bill that has ever come across their desk that had to do with voter security, ranked choice voting, etc. Just look at what happened when Trump installed his own guy as head of the USPS lol. Mail-in ballots just got a whole lot more questionable.

    The electoral college is unbelievably stupid, and is also why candidates only bother campaigning in a handful of battleground states because there's only a few that even matter for a victory. Unfortunately it would require an amendment to the constitution to change.

    To me, the most eye opening thing is that any mutually beneficial bill that promotes fair elections (for BOTH sides) or increased election security, the Republicans want nothing to do with. That pretty much says it all haha.

    I hope whoever the next president is (after Trump) is able to increase election security and get rid of some of the BS like gerrymandering, but they'll be on global clean-up duty for at least half their term haha.

    As an outsider this is all very entertaining, but for the majority of Americans it's probably quite frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Gerrymandering is a scourge, but has Trump even really made it that much worse? It's been happening for decades.
    He wouldn't be able to, really. States are responsible for the redistricting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu3000gt View Post
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    What's funny is that Democrats would probably win almost every election if every American citizen had an equal weight to their vote, or if they had an objectively perfect voting system like ranked choice. I am pretty sure each Republican president in the last 20 years (and perhaps longer) has lost the popular vote but won due to gerrymandering and the electoral college.

    The Dems certainly aren't innocent, it's just that the GOP is 10X worse for doing shady/illegal things like blatant voter suppression and blocking every single mutually beneficial bill that has ever come across their desk that had to do with voter security, ranked choice voting, etc. Just look at what happened when Trump installed his own guy as head of the USPS lol. Mail-in ballots just got a whole lot more questionable.

    The electoral college is unbelievably stupid, and is also why candidates only bother campaigning in a handful of battleground states because there's only a few that even matter for a victory. Unfortunately it would require an amendment to the constitution to change.

    To me, the most eye opening thing is that any mutually beneficial bill that promotes fair elections (for BOTH sides) or increased election security, the Republicans want nothing to do with. That pretty much says it all haha.

    I hope whoever the next president is (after Trump) is able to increase election security and get rid of some of the BS like gerrymandering, but they'll be on global clean-up duty for at least half their term haha.

    As an outsider this is all very entertaining, but for the majority of Americans it's probably quite frustrating.
    Without gerrymandering, the US would be a one-party state?

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    Maybe one of them should use election reform as a platform, and then never mention it again after being elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    Maybe one of them should use election reform as a platform, and then never mention it again after being elected.
    What you did there. I see it.

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    Russher is still in it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/u...erference.html

    Russia Continues Interfering in Election to Try to Help Trump, U.S. Intelligence Says
    But a new assessment says China would prefer to see the president defeated, though it is not clear Beijing is doing much to meddle in the 2020 campaign to help Joseph R. Biden Jr.
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    It's nice the USA has so many outside influences to blame its dysfunction on. Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    It's nice the USA has so many outside influences to blame its dysfunction on. Nice.
    It's almost like they reap what they sow. 70+ years of fucking around with other countries governments and elections has come home to roost.

    Too bad we get caught in the crossfire. Not that we're innocent either, just less so.

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    Muhajadeen = reap what you sow.

    I mean, it's all sick and sad, but.... maybe karma is real?

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    All we get are the Kielburgers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Rural_Juror View Post
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    All we get are the Kielburgers.
    Seee, karma issss reallllssss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Rural_Juror View Post
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    Suppressing mail in votes to the extent that his unqualified guy is running the US Postal Service now.
    If mail in ballot fraud is the only way for the Dems to steal this election, I don't think it's a bad thing for Trump to do everything in his power to suppress it.

    However, with the traps Trump has been setting for the Dems, I wouldn't doubt this was another one. If he can make the Dems question if they're mail in vote fraud can be successful or not, or better yet make them think that Trump can instill his own mail in vote fraud on a larger scale than Dems even plan. Then they might just drop the whole thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    He hasn't done anything but republican states are typically the worst for districting. It's given the republicans an advantage in the electoral college. Hence loosing the popular vote but winning the electoral college last election which I'd argue makes the election less fair.
    It's an interesting logic split some Canadians have. The lack of some type of electoral college or proportional representation is exactly why the west is forever fucked by the Feds when it comes to Canada. But the US has a solution for this, and you have Canadians saying "Well I don't like Trump and I think this favors him, so it's bad"



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    To me, the most eye opening thing is that any mutually beneficial bill that promotes fair elections (for BOTH sides) or increased election security, the Republicans want nothing to do with. That pretty much says it all haha.
    Yeah I know exactly what you mean. Can't believe the Republicans have been fighting against voter ID laws so hard........................

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    It's ok when Trump and his family uses mail in ballots then? As well as voting in a state that he is not allowed to vote in.
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