2020 US Election mega thread

[revelations]

I consider my self more libertarian than right, but:

" The media is the boogey man, the polls are lying, fraud everywhere, everything is corrupt, all these shadowy figures no one can prove, etc. Must be sad living thinking everyone is against you."

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The mass media is designed to elicit fear from the masses. This is done for both profit and for control purposes, driven by various agendas. Huge huge profits this year as you can imagine.

Everything is bad or sad news. If it bleeds it leads. In a province of 4,500,000 people - 14 people dead under the age of 60 is a full blown, panic pandemic. 100% hyperbole.

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Everything is not corrupt, but too many politicians are in the game for service to self. The only thing that matters is reelection. Pragmatic/long term thinking is not often applied.

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The 'shadow' operators are transnational. Its not one dictator running the whole show. People like Soros are just one obvious example, of those who are funding various narratives that we are now seeing at play here.

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Its about questioning the mass media, bs narrative. The more anything is pushed by any large entity (incl. corporate), the more we have to reject it or at the very least, question it.

[ExtraSlow]

So this came up earlier, but here's a better explanation of the efforts to reform USA elections, by sidestepping (not removing) the electoral college. Called the "National Popular Vote Interstate Compact"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...llege-n1247159

Actually pretty interesting, since it means a state could end up giving their votes to a candidate who did not win the most votes in that state. Some states are concerned that it reduces their influence. Currently 15 states representing 196 votes have signed up. Remember 270 votes are needed to win the presidency. If the majority of staes accepted such an agreement, it would render teh electoral college meaningless, and could lead to it's abolition.

Process stuff, so fascinating.

[Buster]

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Why not?

Because markets aren't elections, and elections aren't markets.

[sabad66]

Lulz

[Buster]

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Lulz

The weaknesses of a two part system...

[killramos]

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Lulz

So what you are saying, is the dems are just as bad as republicans when they don’t get their way?

[Mitsu3000gt]

Trump's "Voter Fraud Hotline" is being trolled by a wave of prank callers

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...th-prank-calls

[The_Rural_Juror]

Lots of fake right wingers here. I wouldn't be so upset with Trump if he could have executed the grand right wing masterplan well for people outside his family.

https://www.oann.com/according-to-go...-pa-this-year/

According To Gov’t Data, 69 People Born In 1800’S ‘Voted’ In Pa. This Year

[OTown]

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So this came up earlier, but here's a better explanation of the efforts to reform USA elections, by sidestepping (not removing) the electoral college. Called the "National Popular Vote Interstate Compact"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...llege-n1247159

Actually pretty interesting, since it means a state could end up giving their votes to a candidate who did not win the most votes in that state. Some states are concerned that it reduces their influence. Currently 15 states representing 196 votes have signed up. Remember 270 votes are needed to win the presidency. If the majority of staes accepted such an agreement, it would render teh electoral college meaningless, and could lead to it's abolition.

Process stuff, so fascinating.

All of them democrat controlled states so far. Makes sense given that the Dems control most of the cities and have won the popular vote for more than a decades now

[ExtraSlow]

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All of them democrat controlled states so far. Makes sense given that the Dems control most of the cities and have won the popular vote for more than a decades now

regional and state-by-state representation was the concept behind the original Electoral College, but it seems like it may have drifted away from that concept. They need a three party system to really mess with thier minds like we have and like europe.

And of course, anyone who wants to talk about electoral reform in Canada, I'm sure we have a thread on that. I love that stuff.

[The_Rural_Juror]

Dems are naughty naughty.

[Buster]

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So this came up earlier, but here's a better explanation of the efforts to reform USA elections, by sidestepping (not removing) the electoral college. Called the "National Popular Vote Interstate Compact"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...llege-n1247159

Actually pretty interesting, since it means a state could end up giving their votes to a candidate who did not win the most votes in that state. Some states are concerned that it reduces their influence. Currently 15 states representing 196 votes have signed up. Remember 270 votes are needed to win the presidency. If the majority of staes accepted such an agreement, it would render teh electoral college meaningless, and could lead to it's abolition.

Process stuff, so fascinating.

Every form of gov't which intends to be representative must also have safeguards against the tyranny of the majority. Sometimes this means that some votes count more than other votes. Creating a balance on this is crucial. The Americans seem pretty close with their electoral system.

Canada has fucked this concept up, of course, which is why the country might (and should) either fragment, or a do-over on Confederation.

[Xtrema]

[sabad66]

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So what you are saying, is the dems are just as bad as republicans when they don’t get their way?

Pretty much. A lot of Politicians and pundits are essentially just toddlers in suits

[The_Rural_Juror]

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Pretty much. A lot of Politicians and pundits are essentially just toddlers in suits

They got so much money though.

[syscal]

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Man the confirmation bias is a wild thing. If it agrees with your point of view you bite onto it hook line and sinker. The crap you're posting is full on from Mom's basement. You're just too much of a sheep to be able to tell since it agrees with what you want to believe so badly. Getting your news from QAnon Twitter. Yup real quality stuff there!!!

When someone removes CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, and FOX from their news; they are left with more choices than Twitter and QAnon. True story.

Calling someone, on either side of the political spectrum, a sheep for NOT watching those news sources...

[ExtraSlow]

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Every form of gov't which intends to be representative must also have safeguards against the tyranny of the majority. Sometimes this means that some votes count more than other votes. Creating a balance on this is crucial. The Americans seem pretty close with their electoral system.

Canada has fucked this concept up, of course, which is why the country might (and should) either fragment, or a do-over on Confederation.

It's an interesting concept to balance, when you want to ensure regional representation, but make results feel "fair". Neither country seems to be doing great at it. Neither country currently uses a popular vote system either. A vote in PEI or the territories is worth 4-5x what one in the larger cities of Alberta, Ontario or Quebec is.

[killramos]

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Pretty much. A lot of Politicians and pundits are essentially just toddlers in suits

I don’t think that’s a phenomenon limited to politicians.

[The_Rural_Juror]

See? No harm no fowls.


https://www.inquirer.com/news/pa-ele...-20201109.html
Lawyer says man in Hummer with QAnon stickers outside Philly vote count never threatened or intended violence

A lawyer for one of the two Virginia men charged with gun violations outside the Philadelphia vote count last week on Monday said his client had traveled to at least 10 states on behalf of Vets for Trump and had “an honest belief” his Virginia gun permit was recognized in Pennsylvania.

There was “never any incident of violence or a threat with violence,” the lawyer, A. Charles Peruto Jr., said of his client, Joshua Macias, 42, of Virginia Beach.

Court documents obtained by The Inquirer indicate that after being approached Thursday night, Macias initially told city police he was a Philadelphia resident. The documents also shed new light on how Macias and Antonio LaMotta, 61, traveled to Philadelphia in a silver Hummer, with handguns, 160 rounds of ammo, and an AR-style rifle, to “straighten things out” at the Convention Center where presidential ballots were being counted.

LaMotta’s Hummer displayed insignia of QAnon, a conspiracy movement the FBI described last year as a growing domestic terror threat.

[Antonito]

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Because markets aren't elections, and elections aren't markets.

Elections consist of people and organizations competing to have consumers choose their services