Going to AA boys

[03ozwhip]

Its more about will power than anything. I've been through this many times with many people. Do whatever you think is necessary to quit, even if its AA.

In the end, its not up to what someone will say to you that will help you quit, but what you'll do for yourself. Good luck dude, I always like to see things like this happen.

[ExtraSlow]

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Regardless of failure rate, its a shot im willing to take. Costs me nothin but an hour or two a session.

I fully support you man. Go get em.

[tirebob]

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Doesn't AA have like a 90%+ failure/relapse rate? surprised people still invest time in practices like this.

Addiction is a real thing and nothing can just beat it for everyone. If it were that easy, we would have no addicts. Just because some numbers fail should it mean nobody tries? I know people who had their lives saved with these programs and I know people who have succumbed to their addictions. People keep trying because they want to quit. Other people go because they are being convinced to go but they really are not ready to conquer their addictions. In the end it comes down to if the person is ready to do what it takes, but needing a hand doing so is what these programs do.

I don't understand your issue with this but coming on to a thread where someone is trying to conquer something serious and important to them and then essentially shooting their efforts down like this is pretty ignorant.

[The_Rural_Juror]

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Regardless of failure rate, its a shot im willing to take. Costs me nothin but an hour or two a session.

I hear that meditation can help with the stress. It doesn't cost anything either. Maybe you will come out of it with the mindfulness of a Shaolin monk.

[max_boost]

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Addiction is a real thing and nothing can just beat it for everyone. If it were that easy, we would have no addicts. Just because some numbers fail should it mean nobody tries? I know people who had their lives saved with these programs and I know people who have succumbed to their addictions. People keep trying because they want to quit. Other people go because they are being convinced to go but they really are not ready to conquer their addictions. In the end it comes down to if the person is ready to do what it takes, but needing a hand doing so is what these programs do.

I don't understand your issue with this but coming on to a thread where someone is trying to conquer something serious and important to them and then essentially shooting their efforts down like this is pretty ignorant.

While I don't think born2cars said anything too mean, "What you've yet to learn, life will find a way to teach you". So just because it hasn't happened to you (which I hope it doesn't), don't think it won't/can't. Life is crazy like that.

Sometimes it's baby steps, sometimes it's giant step but the key is to keep moving forward.

[born2workoncars]

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Good for you man, and don’t sweat the higher power stuff! So many seem to think that means you have to become churchy or something like that. People just have different names for the same things. Some call it God. Some call it fate. Some call it energy. Some call it nature. Some say karma. There really is no name it can’t be called. It can mean anything to you. It has nothing to do with accepting a being pulling yourself strings unless that is what you believe. All it means is accepting something larger outside of your control, and anyone who thinks they control everything is deluded. Basically accepting that is a huge step forward in being able to control what you can control, and that is your drinking.

All that really matters is that you are trying to make your life better and if anyone tries to bring you down for that in any way, move the fuck on from them and do what is best for you!

Before any further emotional investment in this thread - you do realize Toilet_X is a troll account?


That being said:

Given that a large component of addiction is related to mental health, the pursuit of philosophy and psychology would likely yield stronger long term results, while also providing the framework to navigate a difficult life.

The unpopular opinion is that either your mind controls your body, or your body controls your mind. You can spin it any way you choose, but addiction results from prolonged poor decision making.

"Although the brain disease model of addiction is perceived by many as received knowledge it is not supported by research or logic. In contrast, well established, quantitative choice principles predict both the possibility and the details of addiction."
- Gene M. Heyman
Department of Psychology, Boston College, Boston, MA, USA
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...013.00031/full

Sounds like a couple posters have echo'd this same notion, but the idea is not that "what can it hurt?" to go to AA, rather, how can we better expend our time and resources to facilitate a higher success rate?

[Rocket1k78]

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It takes an incredible amount of strength to recognize and admit you have a problem and to begin actively fixing it.

Best of luck to you, you'll come out a better man on the other side

Takes a lot of courage to admit this and open up about it. I dont know you but i wish you the best! Look forward to hearing your success

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Regardless of failure rate, its a shot im willing to take. Costs me nothin but an hour or two a session.

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Addiction is a real thing and nothing can just beat it for everyone. If it were that easy, we would have no addicts. Just because some numbers fail should it mean nobody tries? I know people who had their lives saved with these programs and I know people who have succumbed to their addictions. People keep trying because they want to quit. Other people go because they are being convinced to go but they really are not ready to conquer their addictions. In the end it comes down to if the person is ready to do what it takes, but needing a hand doing so is what these programs do.

I don't understand your issue with this but coming on to a thread where someone is trying to conquer something serious and important to them and then essentially shooting their efforts down like this is pretty ignorant.

I totally see your side and agree with it fully but im sure that was not his intent, at least i hope not lol

[JRSC00LUDE]

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Doesn't AA have like a 90%+ failure/relapse rate? surprised people still invest time in practices like this.

What should they invest in? I have 6 great friends who found long term success in AA. I don't personally agree with their fundamentals either but that doesn't mean it can't or won't work. At the least, it is a starting point on finding what works for you and can provide OP some like-minded contacts.

Don't worry Flushy, where there's a will there's a wAAy!

[tirebob]

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While I don't think born2cars said anything too mean, "What you've yet to learn, life will find a way to teach you". So just because it hasn't happened to you (which I hope it doesn't), don't think it won't/can't. Life is crazy like that.

Sometimes it's baby steps, sometimes it's giant step but the key is to keep moving forward.

No, not crazy you're right, but I grew up with a severe alcoholic parent and I know the the smallest perceived slights can cause things to go sideways and I am a bit defensive when someone is making an effort and it is trivialized, even unintentionally. People need to stand back when these conversations are happening and think about things from another persons perspective.

[rx7boi]

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Before any further emotional investment in this thread - you do realize Toilet_X is a troll account?

I know Toilet_X and while he may be a troll, it is most definitely not a troll account lol.

[tirebob]

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Given that a large component of addiction is related to mental health, the pursuit of philosophy and psychology would likely yield stronger long term results, while also providing the framework to navigate a difficult life.

The unpopular opinion is that either your mind controls your body, or your body controls your mind. You can spin it any way you choose, but addiction results from prolonged poor decision making.

"Although the brain disease model of addiction is perceived by many as received knowledge it is not supported by research or logic. In contrast, well established, quantitative choice principles predict both the possibility and the details of addiction."
- Gene M. Heyman
Department of Psychology, Boston College, Boston, MA, USA
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...013.00031/full

Sounds like a couple posters have echo'd this same notion, but the idea is not that "what can it hurt?" to go to AA, rather, how can we better expend our time and resources to facilitate a higher success rate?

No doubt philosophy and psychology are a huge component to addiction, but that is exactly why you just can't science your way ot of things like addiction. Just because it would help, you can't lump every addicts life experiences and and issues that drove them to make the decisions in their lives that brought them here, and you will never get them all, or even many of them, to trust doctors and the like. Many of them need the trust that only comes from other people that actually understand their experiences and not just tell them what is wrong with them.

My point being, there is room for all kinds of treatment methods, and AA/NA etc are legit and do work for many. You can't just discount that when someone is trying for a way out, whether you think you are just being trolled or not.

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It's a journey to figure out what will work for you and what doesn't. We all have some sort of stuff that we have either suppressed or addressing one way or another or if you are lucky and have neither, good for you.

Some ppl go home and grab a bottle, I go home and get high as a kite. Have I tried to kick it? Well yes, last fall I went cold turkey and didn't sleep for 2-3 weeks to shake it but then shortly after I relapsed and got high again. Only thing I can say is I have managed to reduce the amounts, before I was taking in about 75mg thc but now I have knocked it down to about 1/3 so progress? It's weird not dreaming and weird that I can get by with only a few hours of sleep or no sleep at all and this is coming from the guy who averaged 8-10hours nightly for the first 35 years of his life.

[BavarianBeast]

Start with reading Buddha’s Brain.

[scboss]

This is awesome to hear man. It will help you establish what you need to have more discipline towards to achieve what you want! Best of luck bro!

[Swank]

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Before any further emotional investment in this thread - you do realize Toilet_X is a troll account?

Toilet_X appears to be a troll account 80% of the time, but never poking the bear, just saying some hilarious/warped shit. 20% of the time TX has some normal stuff to say. I have faith that this post is on the 20% side and faith that TX is headed in a good direction.

[Toilet_X]

20% serious?! That number should be way lower!!!! NOW im offended. Im slackin! Not bullshittin though, if you want ill bring my phone with me and take pictures of myself in the after sesh blow job circle. ...they do that in AA right?

Dont worry guys, i know what i gotta do. He didnt upset me.

[ThePenIsMightier]

If it worked for someone who talks about choking on cocks slightly more than you, so... Sounds like a plan.

[A790]

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The unpopular opinion is that either your mind controls your body, or your body controls your mind. You can spin it any way you choose, but addiction results from prolonged poor decision making.

Greetings fellow Gentlesir. You sound like someone that my friends and I would love to add to our discussion forum where we discuss sensitive subjects using reason and logic. Come join us!.

[Neil4Speed]

All the power to you sir. Question, have you ever looked in Naltrexone?

https://nationalpost.com/news/pills-...escribing-them

I have a friend who suffers from Alcoholism and have been trying to get him to look into it, but unfortunately, he suffers from all/any motivation to get better...

[Toilet_X]

Terlet checkin in. So far so good. Thank you all for the support. Fellate you l8r.