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    Quote Originally Posted by vengie View Post
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    I blame the universities.
    This. It all started in academia. This is where all the socialist ideology began to be disseminated many decades ago. It eventually filtered out into the mainstream through the earlier students of such ideology. Now, there are enough former and current students of socialist ideology that it has taken a life on of its own. Combine that with the removal of logic/critical thinking from mandatory curriculum, and you have an unthinking, irrational, post-truth society that believe anything that appeals to their emotions.

    They played the long-game and it worked quite well.


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    Start reading up on Critical Theory and enjoy becoming depressed at what happened to our universities.

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    Fixating problems on left right is a very narrow view. Many problems that people try to pin on left right have nothing to do with it at all. When a man steps on your neck, is it because he didn't like the way you spent $20? Of course not.

    It might just be a matter of white collar intelligence and knowledge being supplanted by AI. Capitalism works great when innovation comes from constantly improving yesterdays products. But what happens when capitalism fails when I can ask the AI the hardest math question known to man, instead of a NASA grad - and only spend 1/2 of a cent worth of electricity to do it?

    Naturally, humans from IQ from 90 to 150 are immediately all lumped into the same category - that is not as smart as the AI - I find it perfectly natural to gravitate to the left in that scenario.

    I'd actually blame most of todays lack of growth on the idea that the USA stopped caring about constantly improving (Aerospace especially) which can be attributed to a lot of things other than left right. Stagnation and regression because the greater populace woke to the idea that it was all a lie? If you start a man out at 1 out of 10, he will be willing to work hard at 1 for a lifetime, on the chance that his kid might get to a 4 (upward mobility, Jordan Peterson) But if it was always 1, and you will only get to 0 for the future - then what incentive? This is not a typical scenario for the average white male, but most definitely is a path for blacks and minorities - and even women.

    If the cake is a lie, then do you really want to reach for it?

    Human effort of doing 150 IQ calculations are quickly becoming less valuable. What is valuable nowadays is psychopathy. Universities will probably start declaring bankruptcy en masse soon. Which is the way it should be if you believe in capitalism, as the University itself is creating product that is of poor value (why ask student when the AI does it better? or worse yet, ask student who simply asks AI when you aren't looking.)



    I think many of todays problems could be solved if A) People stopped lying about the past. B) Technologies that have not been adopted for a couple decades immediately go back into the pool of general knowledge (like how to make fire or the wheel) to be expanded upon until it becomes useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    Start reading up on Critical Theory and enjoy becoming depressed at what happened to our universities.
    I have been reading and watching videos since these riots began. I was only partially familiar with it while in university but I did notice a few things, such as one black, female sociology prof mentioning, at least twice, that certain theories belonged to "old, dead white men" (of course, it conveniently doesn't apply to Critical Theory). There was nothing too strong but I just kept my head down to make sure I graduated.

    I know that at U of C, they are pushing out right-leaning, conservative profs. The Left controls the universities and that is a major problem.

    This was the first video I watched, I think it was sometime last year. I haven't watched the second or third parts but I probably should.

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    To expand into a personal scenario.

    Lets assume that I'm a Chinese person in the USA studying to eventually be an astronaut in NASA, or maybe even just a cushy government paid job. They tell early on, that if you pay a small tuition, work hard, pass the tests, you will be considered. Then by the time you actually finish, they simply pass a law that says "you can't enter the doors" because we are afraid that you will steal technology and give it to your great granduncle so that he can build a better spaceship than we can. And we can't have anyone build a better spaceship than us.

    You can only dangle the carrot for so long, and take it away so many times before people stop reaching for the carrot. In which case we all lose, because no one makes a better spaceship in that scenario.

    Black people of course being much much more drastic that that. Usually coming down to not dangling a carrot, but threat of pain and death.

    Capitalism in the USA works - for white males. For others, they are simply not let in the door, or worse - not allowed to live. Naturally, those who do not receive benefit from a system (which now includes young white males, because they are automatically assumed inferior to their elders achievements) will try to find another way. And if you believe that the world is only left and right, then they must go left (or pure psycho, smash a window and simply take.)

    USA are some of the most horrible human rights abusers ever. Nearly put into presidency a man who dropped burning fire on thousands. I have less and less respect, and greater and greater intolerance for the USA as more time passes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duaner View Post
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    This was the first video I watched, I think it was sometime last year. I haven't watched the second or third parts but I probably should.

    This is an important video for anyone wondering what's going on, check it out and arm yourself with knowledge. Personally I feel grateful that there are people like James Lindsay around and I also feel much better about everything after watching him on his last JRE appearance. Basically, he outlines how this movement is doomed to destroy and devour itself from within. We can already see it happening with extra-woke sections of the trans-woman community attacking lesbians and branding them as TERFs or some of the more extremist BLM members attacking anyone allied to the movement who happens to be white. So there is this kind of perverse irony playing out as they become more and more exclusionary, segregationist and racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duaner View Post
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    This. It all started in academia. This is where all the socialist ideology began to be disseminated many decades ago. It eventually filtered out into the mainstream through the earlier students of such ideology. Now, there are enough former and current students of socialist ideology that it has taken a life on of its own. Combine that with the removal of logic/critical thinking from mandatory curriculum, and you have an unthinking, irrational, post-truth society that believe anything that appeals to their emotions.

    They played the long-game and it worked quite well.


    Thanks for sharing. Some of my distant relatives had to run away from their country during the communist revolution to save their lives. The stories we heard were incredible.
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    This is all really confusing in the sense, y’all dunno how good you have it here or something!?

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    I was wondering why they were topping George Washington. Sure he was a slave owner, but so were basically all presidents past a certain point in history.

    Turns out the main problem is that he used healthy slaves teeth as dentures. Well damn, learn something new every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OTown View Post
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    Thanks for sharing. Some of my distant relatives had to run away from their country during the communist revolution to save their lives. The stories we heard were incredible.
    Not to lessen anyones suffering, but make no mistake the USA has been a source of suffering as well. Especially in the last few decades. I would say its safe to assume that either left or right is capable of great cruelty, and is not really a direct function of being left or right of some idealized notion.



    Some people just want to see the world burn, like McCain obviously did. Kim Jong Un as well.

    Side note: Chinas history has been strewn with religious leaders that have done far worse then the ones being torn down now. It is no surprise to me at all that many statues were destroyed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    Start reading up on Critical Theory and enjoy becoming depressed at what happened to our universities.
    Yeah, most people just call it cultural Marxism without really understanding the roots of it all, or use it as way to dismiss people. However, there is a worldview that is driving all this, that has been implemented in various forms over non-stem courses for many years. While some are aware of it who support it, many well-intentioned people don't really understand it, and are unfortunately helping advancing many of these causes by using the same language from critical theory. A lot of these terms appeal to individuals emotions, and taken at face value, they have a hard time seeing why anyone would be against it.

    Books like "White Fragility" were left to the SJW's and the social sciences, now every Karen in the neighborhood is recommending it as a means to combat racism and atone for their white guilt.

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    Yeah but. White guilt is founded in practical reality. Its not just some overhyped notion that its over because 51% of the nation tries to be neutral and fair to all. How else do you explain 2.4x more black people dying than whites?

    Left leaning post-secondary is not due to institution, but a greater overall left movement of youth. At least thats the way I see it. Gen Z is actually slightly right leaning so far, but hard to tell if they continue on that path. Personally I think there is a huge risk that Gen Z goes "not the right way right", or become psychopathic looters and saboteurs who would stomp on anything and everything to get what they want - yknow like Rob Anders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenOps View Post
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    Yeah but. White guilt is founded in practical reality. Its not just some overhyped notion that its over because 51% of the nation tries to be neutral and fair to all. How else do you explain 2.4x more black people dying than whites?
    I think about this all the time. Could it not be explained by the fact more black people live in lower income situations? Lower income generally means more people taking risks to get money (or goods or whatever). I don't think that a "race" dictates the chances of dying in as much as your financial demographic does. It would be interesting to break down the death rates of whites only by looking at the demographics of income and class.

    It could of course be argued that being black in American society has for so long pushed a race to live in lower class conditions so that race is the cause I guess, but it is not an inherent trait in a race that causes the difference IMHO as much as progression of society has still not caught up from the injustices of the past. I don't know how to fix that by any stretch of the imagination other than starting with my behaviours and influencing the behaviours of those under my charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tirebob View Post
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    I think about this all the time. Could it not be explained by the fact more black people live in lower income situations? Lower income generally means more people taking risks to get money (or goods or whatever). I don't think that a "race" dictates the chances of dying in as much as your financial demographic does. It would be interesting to break down the death rates of whites only by looking at the demographics of income and class.

    It could of course be argued that being black in American society has for so long pushed a race to live in lower class conditions so that race is the cause I guess, but it is not an inherent trait in a race that causes the difference IMHO as much as progression of society has still not caught up from the injustices of the past. I don't know how to fix that by any stretch of the imagination other than starting with my behaviours and influencing the behaviours of those under my charge.
    It's hard to tease apart the ideas that black americans live in worse conditions and that they have worse outcomes in nearly every measurement. I don't know what's causing what here, but certainly at several points along the line, there are systematic barriers to improving the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    It's hard to tease apart the ideas that black americans live in worse conditions and that they have worse outcomes in nearly every measurement. I don't know what's causing what here, but certainly at several points along the line, there are systematic barriers to improving the situation.
    No doubt barriers have been there since forever and rear up to this day. I just don't know what a "fix" could be other than those of us whites changing our attitudes and those blacks working hard to persevere through the challenges they face. It will take us all individual humans to affect change in this regard. Not just one side or the other. It requires everybody to take a step back and evaluate their own lives, decisions and attitudes and improve while considering how others lives and experiences cannot be compared directly to their own. No amount of laws or such will accomplish that. I think the problem is everyone is better at criticizing others rather than themselves.
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