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    Quote Originally Posted by Disoblige View Post
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    You're going to have a lot of opposition on this statement. Lots of historical examples showing earlier colonialism in the US that caused a lot of ideologies that were based on race.
    Not sure what facts would be in dispute.

    Black people are disproportionately represented in crime statistics.

    There would be three reasons for this (or a combination):

    1. They commit more crimes
    2. Law enforcement targets their arrest and conviction with greater effort/success
    3. The stats are wrong

    I don't think I'm missing any there.

    I doubt #3 is wrong. #2 certainly doesn't account for the scale of the difference. So #1 must be some large component of the difference. And I'm pretty sure that the color of your skin does not genetically pre-dispose you towards criminal activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    When people blame cops for black peoples' problems, they are very confused on the causality.
    Canada and Trudeau willbe the first to enact the Black Act, which will mirror the Indian Act. A flood of money should fix all the problems the white man has caused the multitude of different races in Canada. Equality will never exist in modern society when people have different rights, freedoms and access to opportunity based on skin color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    Not sure what facts would be in dispute.

    Black people are disproportionately represented in crime statistics.

    There would be three reasons for this (or a combination):

    1. They commit more crimes
    2. Law enforcement targets their arrest and conviction with greater effort/success
    3. The stats are wrong

    I don't think I'm missing any there.

    I doubt #3 is wrong. #2 certainly doesn't account for the scale of the difference. So #1 must be some large component of the difference. And I'm pretty sure that the color of your skin does not genetically pre-dispose you towards criminal activity.
    The question you need to be asking is why are more crimes committed by Blacks overall. Truly look at American History and how that has persisted through the ages. What population is consistently living in poverty in the US? How did they end up as that statistic in the first place? Is it because of the colour of their skin??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    And I'm pretty sure that the color of your skin does not genetically pre-dispose you towards criminal activity.
    Right, but you did mention underlying cause. Don't you think being unfairly discriminated against due to race from these past ideologies is going to cause more criminal activity? So technically color of your skin is causing more violence because they been oppressed for so long (still are) and some police just don't give a shit and still treat them unfairly. Kinda goes in circles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    Not sure what facts would be in dispute.

    Black people are disproportionately represented in crime statistics.

    There would be three reasons for this (or a combination):

    1. They commit more crimes
    2. Law enforcement targets their arrest and conviction with greater effort/success
    3. The stats are wrong

    I don't think I'm missing any there.

    I doubt #3 is wrong. #2 certainly doesn't account for the scale of the difference. So #1 must be some large component of the difference. And I'm pretty sure that the color of your skin does not genetically pre-dispose you towards criminal activity.
    I think you are underestimating the scale of #2, and that is the reason for all of the shitshow going on now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msommers View Post
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    The question you need to be asking is why are more crimes committed by Blacks overall. Truly look at American History and how that has persisted through the ages. What population is consistently living in poverty in the US? How did they end up as that statistic in the first place? Is it because of the colour of their skin??
    That's precisely my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Disoblige View Post
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    Right, but you did mention underlying cause. Don't you think being unfairly discriminated against due to race from these past ideologies is going to cause more criminal activity? So technically color of your skin is causing more violence because they been oppressed for so long (still are) and some police just don't give a shit and still treat them unfairly. Kinda goes in circles.
    These are ideas worth exploring. But it is an assumption that black people engage in more criminal activity because of current (and more importantly left-over) racism. It is also possible that the Democrat policies create a type of segregation that re-enforces the ghetto-ization of our current societies in a manner that also creates the conditions for criminality. Democrat policies aren't explicitly designed to help black people - or at least that's a councidental results.
    They are designed to create a voting bloc.

    In either case the cause of the black community's current relationship with law enforcement is one part police behaviour and a much larger part a society-wide incompetence in handling skin color differences. It's just a shame that the police seem to be targeted when the stats don't justify it, and they aren't the cause.

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    How do we deal with the socioeconomic factors at play? Even in Calgary, the NE has lower property values, more minorities and higher crime rates. How we address this and give kids there the same opportunity as the ones in the SW? Is it wrong to evaluate a community that you might move to by average income and education level?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabad66 View Post
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    I think you are underestimating the scale of #2, and that is the reason for all of the shitshow going on now.
    Perhaps. But do you think it, or do you have data to backup your claim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    It's just a shame that the police seem to be targeted when the stats don't justify it, and they aren't the cause.
    That's true, but I can see why they are targeted. If someone has to be the scapegoat, I can see police being top of the list as people can see direct physical harm resulting from their actions. But one can target judges, bosses, Uber drivers, etc. List goes on...

    Agree on society-wide incompetence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    Perhaps. But do you think it, or do you have data to backup your claim?
    it’s well understood that some of the laws passed during the late 80s/90s around crack related offences disproportionately targeted black communities. I believe some of those laws were reversed but it still has an impact today because it resulted in many families being destroyed. When kids grow up without fathers, they fall into crime. It’s a domino effect

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabad66 View Post
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    it’s well understood that some of the laws passed during the late 80s/90s around crack related offences disproportionately targeted black communities. I believe some of those laws were reversed but it still has an impact today because it resulted in many families being destroyed. When kids grow up without fathers, they fall into crime. It’s a domino effect
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    When kids grow up in poor crime ridden communities surrounded by shitty role models they fall into crime. Having no father has nothing to do with it. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by BavarianBeast View Post
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    When kids grow up in poor crime ridden communities surrounded by shitty role models they fall into crime. Having no father has nothing to do with it. Lol
    Yea definitely the case - single parenting, kids not graduating from HS, teen age pregnancies - all of this is cultural and cyclical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    data.
    Here is a great PDF explaining this. Even just the executive summary is good if you don’t want to read the whole thing
    https://www.aclu.org/other/cracks-sy...ck-cocaine-law

    Recent data indicates that African Americans make up only 15% of the country’s drug users, yet they comprise 37% of those arrested for drug violations, 59% of those convicted, and 74% of those sentenced to prison for a drug offense.
    cited source (but link broken now): http://idpi.us/dpr/factsheets/mm_factsheet.htm
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    Calgary protests starting. Two large groups massing in East downtown.
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabad66 View Post
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    Here is a great PDF explaining this. Even just the executive summary is good if you don’t want to read the whole thing
    https://www.aclu.org/other/cracks-sy...ck-cocaine-law
    I'm aware of the argument. I just think it is nonsense. You can't turn two correlations into one causation. The problem is the poverty. And let's not forget that they are WAY more poor white people in the US than poor black people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Thats a lot more people than I expected here tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    Thats a lot more people than I expected here tbh.
    There's a lot of people out of work.
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    I'm curious to see over the next few days how this affects the daily Covid-19 case count in Calgary.
    My guess is it will be little to no growth, which will be a good sign.

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