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    Quote Originally Posted by jutes View Post
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    Acura trying to compete with BMW and Mercedes now?
    Probably just Lexus? 10% Increase wont get them to German price points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjblair View Post
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    Probably just Lexus? 10% Increase wont get them to German price points.
    Over $50k USD for the Type S puts them right in the wheelhouse of vehicles like the M340i.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyD View Post
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    Over $50k USD for the Type S puts them right in the wheelhouse of vehicles like the M340i.
    Oh, duh. For some reason I was thinking CAD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richardchan2002 View Post
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    Didn’t see this posted yet but it looks like Acura is going upmarket on pricing. Starting price is $4500 higher than previous gen.

    https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...tos-specs-info

    Value proposition is shrinking?
    Typically I’d agree, but in this case it’s a hell of a lot more car than the base 2020.

    Powerwise, that alone is worth the $4500 (6k?) cdn.

    The new base 4cyl is like buying a base V6 2020 model. That delta is now much smaller. It claims here:

    https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/acura/tlx

    The 2020 Acura TLX has the lowest starting MSRP among luxury midsize cars, coming in at $33,000. You can replace the standard four-cylinder engine with a V6 for $3,200, and you can add all-wheel drive to models with the V6 for $2,000. Acura offers three upgrade packages that each add a few thousand dollars to the price. A fully loaded TLX will set you back nearly $50,000.
    So arguably ~$1300 more?

    I’m just trying to be a Honda fanboy here. Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkane View Post
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    Typically I’d agree, but in this case it’s a hell of a lot more car than the base 2020.

    Powerwise, that alone is worth the $4500 (6k?) cdn.

    The new base 4cyl is like buying a base V6 2020 model. That delta is now much smaller. It claims here:

    https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/acura/tlx



    So arguably ~$1300 more?

    I’m just trying to be a Honda fanboy here. Lol.
    As a former Honda guy, I want to like them too. But for the 2021 model, $38525USD at today’s exchange rate is just North of $50k CAD. That’s assuming Canada doesn’t get hit with a premium to the exchange rate. $50k+ for a 272HP 4 cylinder FWD just doesn’t feel like good value to me.

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    Maybe Canada won't get the FWD? Acura website lists SH-AWD, Tech, A-Spec and Platnium. SH-AWD starts at $43,990 which doesn't seem terrible. I like the idea of this car but still a yikes from me on the interior.

    https://www.acura.ca/future-vehicles/tlx2021

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyD View Post
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    Over $50k USD for the Type S puts them right in the wheelhouse of vehicles like the M340i.
    https://www.calgarybmw.ca/en/new-inventory/bmw/3_series

    Not seeing too many 340's anywhere close to 50k

    The big thing about Germans is whatever you see on their site, is never remotely close to what the dealers are offering at.. from my research anyhow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riander5 View Post
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    https://www.calgarybmw.ca/en/new-inventory/bmw/3_series

    Not seeing too many 340's anywhere close to 50k

    The big thing about Germans is whatever you see on their site, is never remotely close to what the dealers are offering at.. from my research anyhow.
    Yes and you won't see any Type S's close to $50k in Canada. US pricing is being referenced here for both. I agree with BMW as the price on their site isn't close to what you can get them for as I have paid significantly less on both of my BMW purchases.

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    I never thought to check the Acura.ca website, I didn’t think pricing would be up yet. Looks like these are better value in Canada.

    I checked acura.com and the starting price there is listed as $37,500 which is less than the $38525 on the previous link I posted (maybe the MA website has dated info? or maybe it includes freight?)

    For comparable base model AWD in US vs Canada, it would be $39,500USD vs $43,990CAD which is an effective currency conversion of 0.90. That’s actually pretty decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richardchan2002 View Post
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    I never thought to check the Acura.ca website, I didn’t think pricing would be up yet. Looks like these are better value in Canada.

    I checked acura.com and the starting price there is listed as $37,500 which is less than the $38525 on the previous link I posted (maybe the MA website has dated info? or maybe it includes freight?)

    For comparable base model AWD in US vs Canada, it would be $39,500USD vs $43,990CAD which is an effective currency conversion of 0.90. That’s actually pretty decent.
    Woohoo Honda. Off topic but the limited civic type R is 45k USD. Should ring in around $49,999 here.
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    Who else other than diehard Honda fanboys would buy this over a Genesis G70?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkane View Post
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    Woohoo Honda. Off topic but the limited civic type R is 45k USD. Should ring in around $49,999 here.
    $54,600 here in Canada. $10K is too much for primarily lighter wheels and yellow paint, IMHO, but I get the appeal to collectors. I would have liked to see it get a power bump for that kind of money.

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    Who else other than diehard Honda fanboys would buy this over a Genesis G70?
    The Genesis has pretty brutal residuals and resale, that could be enough for some people. I don't think the 3.0T version is out yet for reviews either. 2.0T reviews have so far been positive.

    Not really my cup of tea either, but I think a performance car with "Japanese reliability" will sell well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gpomp View Post
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    Who else other than diehard Honda fanboys would buy this over a Genesis G70?
    G70 is more a ILX size.

    Valid comparison would be G80.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schocker View Post
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    You should watch The Straightpipes video review where they demonstrate how awful the new 10 speed transmission is. The delayed shifting (we are talking seconds not milliseconds) would be a deal breaker in an entry level compact car and is totally unacceptable at this price point. When will Honda ever offer a good automatic transmission?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyD View Post
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    You should watch The Straightpipes video review where they demonstrate how awful the new 10 speed transmission is. The delayed shifting (we are talking seconds not milliseconds) would be a deal breaker in an entry level compact car and is totally unacceptable at this price point. When will Honda ever offer a good automatic transmission?
    Their 8 speed DCT is pretty decent. Too bad they don't put it in anything worth buying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    G70 is more a ILX size.

    Valid comparison would be G80.
    Ok. After watching reviews, this is the weirdest sized car ever.

    Longer and wider and A6 and E class.

    Has trunk and rear leg room of compact class. Has same rear leg room and somehow even less head room then G70.

    Pretty porky at 3920lbs for a 4 banger. Whopping 500lb heavier than an A4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    Ok. After watching reviews, this is the weirdest sized car ever.

    Longer and wider and A6 and E class.

    Has trunk and rear leg room of compact class. Has same rear leg room and somehow even less head room then G70.

    Pretty porky at 3920lbs for a 4 banger. Whopping 500lb heavier than an A4.
    Yeah that doesn't bode well for the A-Spec which will likely weigh as much as a mid-size SUV.

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    Configurator is up for the Type S.

    $60,000k CAD on the nose MSRP + $500 for paint that's not grey (lol).

    Initial residual and rates (4.99) are horrible - It actually makes an S4 or M340 cheaper if leasing. Even then, S4 is 60.6k & an M340i is $64k which are arguable much better options for essentially the same price...

    Add in the fact this thing is heavy & huge with a tiny interior and no cargo space, I don't know who'll be buying these outside of the hardest of Honda fanbois... I mean, I'm in for another cheap lease if it comes my way as the regular model 270hp turbo4 with SH-AWD is decent enough, but not gonna be banging on the door for one.
    Last edited by Pauly Boy; 06-15-2021 at 10:28 AM.
    Originally posted by killramos
    It's a Chrysler, it won't last long enough to depreciate.

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    I think the value prop for this is when it's 3 years old. Zero chance I'd want an S4 or 340i off warranty, but I'd have no worries about this.

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