Sports cars under $50K?

[90_Shelby]

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I can name countless cars in the $130k or less range that I rather have that will give me more pleasure driving than the Demon.

And the Demon costs more

A Demon also wouldn’t be my first choice but that’s irrelevant to how it makes it “gross”.

[flipstah]

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This is the hardest Where’s Waldo ever. I see no difference.

If I squint really hard, should I see a pony?

@killramos stays at a Waldorf. THE HORROR.

[killramos]

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This old guy does.

If interiors doesn't matter, do you stay at a Motel 6 on vacation?

Man. It’s been a long time since I went on Vacation...

[Tik-Tok]

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This old guy does.

If interiors doesn't matter, do you stay at a Motel 6 on vacation?

If you're in a good enough vacation spot, you'll barely be spending any time in the room anyways. Just for crashing in.

Similarly, if you buy a domestic, you'll be spending more time under the hood than in the car anyways.

[npham]

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If you're in a good enough vacation spot, you'll barely be spending any time in the room anyways. Just for crashing in.

For us, it's got to be the complete package. If the room sucks, it takes away from the vacation if you are dealing with a bunch of little things. When I'm on vacation, I want it to be stress-free and to give myself a mental break - that means having a nice room.

[Disoblige]

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A Demon also wouldn’t be my first choice but that’s irrelevant to how it makes it “gross”.

Fine fine, I will change my choice of words. You got me.

it is now "meh", lol.

[Xtrema]

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Basically it's the 1/2 moon speedo that took me back in time. And you can't use photos. I was fooled by them as well which is why I gave CTS-V a try and that's overhead console plastic is exactly the same grade of of that 90s GM product.

[killramos]

This thread:

“Why is everything so expensive these days you can’t even buy a used enthusiasts car for under 50k”

*Several sub 50k options pointed out*

Also this thread:

“Why is the plastic in these cars so cheaply made”

Pick a lane

[ExtraSlow]

Why do the handbags I like all cost $500? Also, I won't own a handbag without LV design. At least 50% of beyond are fashion over function people.

[Xtrema]

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This thread:

“Why is everything so expensive these days you can’t even buy a used enthusiasts car for under 50k”

*Several sub 50k options pointed out*

Also this thread:

“Why is the plastic in these cars so cheaply made”

Pick a lane

Well when a $90K product has worse than $30k product's plastic, it's a problem.

[Rocket1k78]

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Proper petrol heads don't buy something, they build something. So a $30k car with $20k in mods will get you a very sporty car.

I drive a truck so i have no say in this matter but id have to agree with this.
"People that are into sports cars, are proper petrol heads and can afford them"

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This old guy does.

If interiors doesn't matter, do you stay at a Motel 6 on vacation?

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For us, it's got to be the complete package. If the room sucks, it takes away from the vacation if you are dealing with a bunch of little things. When I'm on vacation, I want it to be stress-free and to give myself a mental break - that means having a nice room.

I've never done a motel 6 before but ive stayed at some shit holes when i was younger haha I never used to give a shit about hotels but now that ive got a family the hotel is top priority.

[killramos]

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Well when a $90K product has worse than $30k product's plastic, it's a problem.

I think there are more important things to spend money on than the plastic that covers the sunglass holder.

End of the day, alot of the 90k cars we are talking about are 30k cars with more money in the places that matter. Works for me.

[Disoblige]

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I think there are more important things to spend money on than the plastic that covers the sunglass holder.

End of the day, alot of the 90k cars we are talking about are 30k cars with more money in the places that matter. Works for me.

I think if more sporty cars came out with a stripped down "enthusiast edition" like the 370Z, there would be a market for that.

[killramos]

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I think if more sporty cars came out with a stripped down "enthusiast edition" like the 370Z, there would be a market for that.

I largely agree

[Mitsu3000gt]

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It's widely known that the Cadillac CTS-V and ATS-V are a better car then their german counterparts, this is evident when you look at their prices on the used market.

Sales numbers seem to tell a different story. I don't think they were discounting them $20K because they were widely known as better than the Germans - that's the first I have ever heard someone say that. Performance is similar no doubt, but build quality is miles away from something like a C63 or RS5. I almost leased an ATS when they were $299/mo and I think it still had a foot pedal E-brake lol.

Also I think I'd rather have the 90's Malibu center stack controls than the CUE nightmare haha.

I was just surprised at the used prices - I wonder if people are actually buying them for that who don't know what they were selling for new. Maybe it's a "collectors" item now because they don't make them anymore.

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Similar year and mileage, the Cadillac will be worth more.

There's a 2017 ATS-V for sale for $49,900 with 31,000 KM. C63's from the same vintage and KM are still in the $75,000 range.

[Tik-Tok]

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Sales numbers seem to tell a different story. I don't think they were discounting them $20K because they were widely known as better than the Germans -

I thought they were discounted because that's what domestics do? They overprice their vehicles by $20g, a few suckers buy them at that price, and then they "discount" them.

Looking at the truck market is proof of that. Anyone who pays anywhere close to sticker price on a fully loaded 1/2 ton or any 3/4 ton is an idiot.

[Ca_Silvia13]

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There's a 2017 ATS-V for sale for $49,900 with 31,000 KM. C63's from the same vintage and KM are still in the $75,000 range.

Every Caddy depreciates extremely fast. That has been the norm for them for 10+ years

[Mitsu3000gt]

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I thought they were discounted because that's what domestics do? They overprice their vehicles by $20g, a few suckers buy them at that price, and then they "discount" them.

Looking at the truck market is proof of that. Anyone who pays anywhere close to sticker price on a fully loaded 1/2 ton or any 3/4 ton is an idiot.

Sometimes yeah - buying an American truck is like buying a mattress haha - massive discounts are just the norm and there's only a handful of fools who pay full price. In my experience, that has not been the case with many other American vehicles or even other Cadillacs when shopping. They have promotions and such but I didn't see any discounts as big as they had on the "V"series. The truck market seems to be the only one where a ~20% discount off MSRP is often a starting point for negotiations, to my knowledge anyway.

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Every Caddy depreciates extremely fast. That has been the norm for them for 10+ years

I agree. 90_Shelby seems to think otherwise, hence why I went to check to see if I was missing something but it does not appear so. Couldn't find any same year M5 / E63 to compare to the CTS-V, but the Germans are a solid $20K above used ATS-V pricing.

Isn't that why GM almost went bankrupt several years ago? Nobody bought out their leases because GM inflated the residuals to not make their cars of the time look so bad and had to buy back every car way above market price.

[max_boost]

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Why do the handbags I like all cost $500? Also, I won't own a handbag without LV design. At least 50% of beyond are fashion over function people.

$500? What are you rocking? Kate Spade? Coach?

[killramos]

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$500? What are you rocking? Kate Spade? Coach?

He said LV lol