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    Default Pakistan 1/3rd of pilots not licensed

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/busin...hnk/index.html

    30% of civilian pilots in Pakistan are unlicensed. 262 did not take the exam themselves.

    We're now learning this as the may Karachi crash apparently will point to unlicensed pilots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyL View Post
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    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/busin...hnk/index.html

    30% of civilian pilots in Pakistan are unlicensed. 262 did not take the exam themselves.

    We're now learning this as the may Karachi crash apparently will point to unlicensed pilots.
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    “PIA has grounded all its pilots who hold fake licenses, effective immediately.”

    So wait, they knew they were fake? Or it was obvious enough that they could do this? What the actual fuck.
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    Why the hurry to ground the pilots with fake licenses? Seems like an overreaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    “PIA has grounded all its pilots who hold fake licenses, effective immediately.”

    So wait, they knew they were fake? Or it was obvious enough that they could do this? What the actual fuck.
    I at least feel safe knowing that Alberta doesn't allow countries teeming with corruption like this to perform engineering services at rock bottom prices on pressure vessels containing explosive & poisonous materials, piping stress analysis or bridges. It's good to take a stand against this sort of...
    What??!
    That's exactly what we do??! Who the fuck thought that was a good idea!!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    I at least feel safe knowing that Alberta doesn't allow countries teeming with corruption like this to perform engineering services at rock bottom prices on pressure vessels containing explosive & poisonous materials, piping stress analysis or bridges. It's good to take a stand against this sort of...
    What??!
    That's exactly what we do??! Who the fuck thought that was a good idea!!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    The engineer in me has plugged my ears and ran away screaming “lalalalallalala”
    ROFL. I got stuck on the class 1 drivers licenses.

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    Its not a PIA thing, or just a Pak thing - this shit happens all over the world. Just way less so in the developed countries. Ask a Russian cargo pilot in Africa for his 'official papers' and see where that gets you.

    Many of these kinds of places hire based on WHO you know (or are related to) rather than WHAT you know, or discriminate against those of a different ethnic background, or religious for eg.

    Merit means fuck all and this is the end result.

    On the flip side, you can have full licensed and qualified pilots fly a perfectly fine, 200 million $$ ship (Asiana 777) into the ground, on a clear calm day in SanFran - because their company forbid hand flying training and they were forced to perform a manual (visual) approach.
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    Imagine their doctors are just as qualified.
    Maybe check their papers before they ask to examine your prostate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr2mike View Post
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    Imagine their doctors are just as qualified.
    Maybe check their papers before they ask to examine your prostate.
    ...... everythings all legit over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    Its not a PIA thing, or just a Pak thing - this shit happens all over the world. Just way less so in the developed countries. Ask a Russian cargo pilot in Africa for his 'official papers' and see where that gets you.

    Many of these kinds of places hire based on WHO you know (or are related to) rather than WHAT you know, or discriminate against those of a different ethnic background, or religious for eg.

    Merit means fuck all and this is the end result.

    On the flip side, you can have full licensed and qualified pilots fly a perfectly fine, 200 million $$ ship (Asiana 777) into the ground, on a clear calm day in SanFran - because their company forbid hand flying training and they were forced to perform a manual (visual) approach.
    Oh, for sure. It's also rampant in China and India. That's where companies like Fluor and Worley mandate that a minimum of 40% of the ENGINEERING hours be performed for a massive hydrocarbon project that will end up wherever an Alberta is...
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    The dipshit who crashed east of Medicine Hat last year and killed two other people along with him wasn't a licensed pilot either. He took some lessons and had a long-expired student permit and faked being a licensed pilot for several years. That's a story right on our home turf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat Fink View Post
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    The dipshit who crashed east of Medicine Hat last year and killed two other people along with him wasn't a licensed pilot either. He took some lessons and had a long-expired student permit and faked being a licensed pilot for several years. That's a story right on our home turf.
    Think there's been two of those lately.

    But they weren't flying atr's with passengers. These are airline pilots who aren't qualified.

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    I don't know how many people work in IT here...but it's a well known joke that bunch of CCIEs are from that part of the world.....and they def didn't write their exams This is not at all surprising, although just a bit...given that this is a more life and death situation vs faking being a cisco expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyL View Post
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    Think there's been two of those lately.

    But they weren't flying atr's with passengers. These are airline pilots who aren't qualified.
    Very true. That's insane. The one I referenced was a dude who had an expired student pilot permit, no night rating of course, and an expired medical. He didn't file a flight plan (since they ask for your pilot license number) so search and rescue had to wait 24 hours to launch to find his string of debris. There was a smoke hazy night from the forest fires in BC at that time and if you've ever flown east out of Med Hat towards Sask there isn't much for lighting and could be very easy to get the black hole effect....especially for someone faking being a pilot
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    Saw the prelim report from the Karachi crash. Probably the worst case of pilot error/incompetence in commercial aviation crash history?

    It's hard to understand what was happening in that cockpit. As I was going through it, I was thinking either drunk, on drugs, but I guess if one wasn't even a real pilot maybe that's the explanation. The captain did have something like 17,000 hours, so that still doesn't add up...

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    Current government was trying to fire them for long time but union and opposition political party were blocking them. Their excuse was hands on experience is more important than a piece of paper

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    To be a Cisco expert, you need the ethernet to 9-pin adaptor to program all the old switches

    The largest nickel miner (Norilsk) in Russia just had an absolutely ridiculously huge diesel spill. Completely overlooked because of Covid.

    Never been much on qualifications. Every Chinese person in the USA does not meet the requirements to enter the door at NASA - so yeah.
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    Jesus. Can’t say as I’m surprised though. In that part of the world corruption runs rampant.

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    Im actually surprised there arent more crashes like this - given the deplorable aviation culture in many of these places (not just Pak).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyL View Post
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    Think there's been two of those lately.

    But they weren't flying atr's with passengers. These are airline pilots who aren't qualified.
    I dare say a lot of our countries commercial pilots aren't properly qualified either. Maybe legally, but not practically. Every company has significantly dropped their required flight hours in the last decade.

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