Trudeau has to go?

[vengie]

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I don’t think Canada, or Canadians, care how fucked we are tbh

I don't disagree...

[killramos]

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I don't disagree...

It’s like threatening to take away broccoli from a child.

Sure it’s good for them, but they still couldn’t care less about the threat.

[vengie]

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It’s like threatening to take away broccoli from a child.

Sure it’s good for them, but they still couldn’t care less about the threat.

... My kid crushes broccoli like its his job lol.

All I am saying is there needs to be a credible threat. Problem is the West won't get out of its own damn way to organize.

Politics is embarrassing and its unfortunate these sad sacks make decisions for the rest of us.

[Xtrema]

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You guys do all realize how fucked Canada would be if the revenues/ transfer payments from Alberta were to leave Canada correct?

IF Alberta and western provinces were to actually get serious and organize a separatist government, Canada would be forced to listen.

Go on.....

[vengie]

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Go on.....

Equalization payments.

Also, aside from the Territories (for obvious reasons) Alberta has the highest impact per capita on the Canadian GDP.

Now take, Sask and Manitoba, and likely BC - you now have ~ 40% of Canada's GDP threatening to leave the country.

[killramos]

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Equalization payments.

Also, aside from the Territories (for obvious reasons) Alberta has the highest impact per capita on the Canadian GDP.

Now take, Sask and Manitoba, and likely BC - you now have ~ 40% of Canada's GDP threatening to leave the country.

Who needs GDP anyway

[Xtrema]

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Equalization payments.

Also, aside from the Territories (for obvious reasons) Alberta has the highest impact per capita on the Canadian GDP.

Now take, Sask and Manitoba, and likely BC - you now have ~ 40% of Canada's GDP threatening to leave the country.

I know 1993 was a lifetime ago, some of you probably are not even born yet. But what you are saying pretty summed up the formation of Reform Party => Alliance => Conservative under Harper that was PM for 9 years. It's been done and got what we wanted.

What you proposed has been done and since dismantled when the Harper gang got thrown out of Conservatives and JK had to come back to run for AB premier.

[sabad66]

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Equalization payments.

Also, aside from the Territories (for obvious reasons) Alberta has the highest impact per capita on the Canadian GDP.

Now take, Sask and Manitoba, and likely BC - you now have ~ 40% of Canada's GDP threatening to leave the country.

I think you are flawed in assuming BC would join this theoretical Prairie Provinces country. Last i checked, Vancouver + Van Island has just over half of BC's entire population so good luck convincing them to join Oil Country. Unless you are thinking that Vancouver/Van Island would be carved out of this theoretical country, then carry on.

[killramos]

I love how people always forget how much BC hates the RoC.

Left wing does not mean pro Ontario/Quebec contrary to popular belief.

[lasimmon]

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Equalization payments.

Also, aside from the Territories (for obvious reasons) Alberta has the highest impact per capita on the Canadian GDP.

Now take, Sask and Manitoba, and likely BC - you now have ~ 40% of Canada's GDP threatening to leave the country.

There's basically zero chance BC or Manitoba would ever leave.

[Xtrema]

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I think you are flawed in assuming BC would join this theoretical Prairie Provinces country. Last i checked, Vancouver + Van Island has just over half of BC's entire population so good luck convincing them to join Oil Country. Unless you are thinking that Vancouver/Van Island would be carved out of this theoretical country, then carry on.

We need the coast. Any coast. Land locked countries are shit countries.

[vengie]

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I know 1993 was a lifetime ago, some of you probably are not even born yet. But what you are saying pretty summed up the formation of Reform Party => Alliance => Conservative under Harper that was PM for 9 years.

What you proposed has been done and since dismantled when the Harper gang got thrown out of Conservatives and JK had to come back to run for AB premier.

Initial catalyst was the NEP yes.

Have you ever heard of the idea "history repeats itself".

Look where we are today, and look at the parallels to the catalysts from the 80's.

Is it coincidence this is all happening while we are led by another Trudeau?



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I think you are all flawed in thinking separation will actually happen, is BC on board? I doubt it...
What forming a separatist party and actually having the real threat of separation does is create leverage to open dialogue.
That is essentially Alberta and Sasks only way to have a voice.

[killramos]

I think there is a difference between thinking separation would happen and separation being a good idea.

Frankly I don’t think even the west has the balls to advocate for ourselves. We are just meek pathetic Canadians like the rest of the country.

[lasimmon]

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Initial catalyst was the NEP yes.

Have you ever heard of the idea "history repeats itself".

Look where we are today, and look at the parallels to the catalysts from the 80's.

Is it coincidence this is all happening while we are led by another Trudeau?



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I think you are all flawed in thinking separation will actually happen, is BC on board? I doubt it...
What forming a separatist party and actually having the real threat of separation does is create leverage to open dialogue.
That is essentially Alberta and Sasks only way to have a voice.

Its only leverage if someone cares if you actually leave.

[vengie]

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Its only leverage if someone cares if you actually leave.

Money and quality of life is a powerful motivator.

[dubhead]

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Money and quality of life is a powerful motivator.

See I don't think they really care about or think Alberta's money makes much difference in those categories.

Where we need to get the everyday easterner's attention is threating to cut off easy access to the cheap Chinese made shit they have become accustomed to arriving with one click. Shutdown the rail roads and Trans Canada, watch BC sweat as goods reroute and eastern's cry their toys cost more.

[vengie]

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See I don't think they really care about or think Alberta's money makes much difference in those categories.

Where we need to get the everyday easterner's attention is threating to cut off easy access to the cheap Chinese made shit they have become accustomed to arriving with one click. Shutdown the rail roads and Trans Canada, watch BC sweat as goods reroute and eastern's cry their toys cost more.

Agreed on the rail.

But once those sweet sweet transfer payments are cut off and Quebec's social programs suffer they will listen.
Problem is most Canadian's don't have a fucking clue what funds their quality of life.

[AndyL]

Well budget 2021 we're officially a non paying have not province for the first time in over a hundred years.

I still say the best lesson would be to furlough oil and gas production for a year. Watch the insanity unfold - USA would throw a fit, BC and Quebec would loose their collective minds over energy costs / availability. Imagine if they found out the real cost of propane when its not being given / paid to be taken away at the source. You're outright showing them the argument they're making against living. Maybe then the USA will invade us and that can resolve everything.

[Buster]

I'd sure rather be sending a couple of US senators and some congressmen to DC than sending some useless MPs to Ottawa.

[Xtrema]

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What forming a separatist party and actually having the real threat of separation does is create leverage to open dialogue.
That is essentially Alberta and Sasks only way to have a voice.

It's not a threat when by the numbers it's an empty one.

Bloc can mess with 78 seat. An AB/SK separatist party can mess with 48 seats. Add redneck part of BC plays along, may get you another 15 seats. And unlike Quebec that people actually vote Liberals, nobody in AB/SK will. So all you are messing with is the Conservative party.

If people actually vote some NDP or Liberals in the province, we may have more sway because they have something to lose. As of right now, nobody need to pander to the 5M people in AB/SK as it's a waste of effort.

By all means anyone can restart the reform party which means Liberals will be in power for another decade and a half due to vote split until the right merges again for Alliance Part Deux (you know, you got give the Frenchies a bone to vote for you).