Trudeau has to go?

[kertejud2]

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Yes, the Conservative background in moral authority is a big problem for them, 100% agreed. Again, not an issue of the leader, it's an issue of their ideology. If the Libertarian party just rebranded as the Conservatives so people would pay attention to them, it'd be a very different election.

No it wouldn't.

For these policies alone

We maintain that no one has the right to violate the property rights of others by pollution. We believe that the laws of nuisance and negligence should be modified to cover damages done by air, water, and noise pollution. We support the development of an objective system of law defining individual property rights to air and water. We believe that ambiguities regarding these rights (e.g., the concept of "public property") are a primary cause of our deteriorating environment.

We support the repeal of compulsory education laws, and the elimination of government operation, regulation, and subsidy of educational institutions.

We call for the honouring of all just claims of native people to land, property, and autonomy.

Give environmentalists more power (specifically, giving individual environmentalists more power via their property rights) sets up the resource industry to fail.

Cutting education is something absolutely nobody wants. Not even conservatives (even the mouthbreathers here want public money, they just want it going to private religious schools instead).

And that last doozie will end any and all investment into industry in the country dealing with land claim after land claim after land claim (combined with the enshrinement of the environment and property rights).


Libertarians are a joke. Their policies are dumb as shit across the board, managing to somehow be devastating for the public good at the expense of private interests, but also being crippling for business all at the same time. It's impressively terrible.

Ignoring science and trying to grandstand on some climate policy is just more pandering to the idiots, and isn't reflective of the leader in charge. So we are back to square one of the argument.

The core problem here is that you think you understand science, and that climate change policies ignore science. So when we start with something so wrong, where is there to go?

[Misterman]

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No it wouldn't.

For these policies alone







Give environmentalists more power (specifically, giving individual environmentalists more power via their property rights) sets up the resource industry to fail.

Cutting education is something absolutely nobody wants. Not even conservatives (even the mouthbreathers here want public money, they just want it going to private religious schools instead).

And that last doozie will end any and all investment into industry in the country dealing with land claim after land claim after land claim (combined with the enshrinement of the environment and property rights).


Libertarians are a joke. Their policies are dumb as shit across the board, managing to somehow be devastating for the public good at the expense of private interests, but also being crippling for business all at the same time. It's impressively terrible.




The core problem here is that you think you understand science, and that climate change policies ignore science. So when we start with something so wrong, where is there to go?

I don't know why you're trying to fabricate arguments for arguments sake? You not being able to compare different parties ideologies next to eachother, or understand scientific method, do not bolster your argument that the Conservatives election losses are due to their incompetent leaders.

[sabad66]

There may have been a chance to win maritime seats if MacKay was leader. Under O’Toole they are guaranteed to remain liberal

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I like MacKay.

[killramos]

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I like MacKay.

You always smelled like a Liberal to me

[Cagare]

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There may have been a chance to win maritime seats if MacKay was leader. Under O’Toole they are guaranteed to remain liberal

I don't think MacKay needs to be leader to get the seats. Everyone in the country wants influence. If you have someone that's high up in the party and guaranteed a cabinet seat then you see that as influence. In the case of the Harper government MacKay was Defense Minister, someone from, PEI for Fisheries and Oceans and another minister from New Brunswich. Now the Liberals have MacAuly from PEI in Veterans affairs, LeBlanc from NB in Intergovernmental Affairs, Nfld covered with O'Regan in Natural Resources and Jordan from NS in Fisheries and Oceans. The Liberals have prominent maritimers in cabinet positions. The conservatives do not.

Most of the prominent positions in Conservative shadow cabinet are Ontario and the West, cause they didn't elect anyone in the east cause seemingly their candidates are not that good.

I think we point to the leaders a lot, but I really believe the quality of local candidates in some ridings for the Conservatives is bad. The Liberals have been doing an outstanding job recruiting people.

[sabad66]

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I don't think MacKay needs to be leader to get the seats. Everyone in the country wants influence. If you have someone that's high up in the party and guaranteed a cabinet seat then you see that as influence. In the case of the Harper government MacKay was Defense Minister, someone from, PEI for Fisheries and Oceans and another minister from New Brunswich. Now the Liberals have MacAuly from PEI in Veterans affairs, LeBlanc from NB in Intergovernmental Affairs, Nfld covered with O'Regan in Natural Resources and Jordan from NS in Fisheries and Oceans. The Liberals have prominent maritimers in cabinet positions. The conservatives do not.

Most of the prominent positions in Conservative shadow cabinet are Ontario and the West, cause they didn't elect anyone in the east cause seemingly their candidates are not that good.

I think we point to the leaders a lot, but I really believe the quality of local candidates in some ridings for the Conservatives is bad. The Liberals have been doing an outstanding job recruiting people.

I would argue that a shadow cabinet minister has next to 0 influence. Even the popular guys like Poillevre, at the end of the day they make funny/clever videos that people love to share but influence policy pretty much 0%.

so if you're a maritimer citizen, why would you vote for a candiate of the party you don't think will win? If you want influence, then you want your candidate to be that of the governing party so that they can actually have a good chance at a cabinet position and not some shitty shadow cabinet position.

So yeah the leader really matters because the party has to win to get the cabinet positions.

I will agree with you though that the quality of candidates has gone downhill though but i'd say that's more across the board. Smart people who would actually do good work in government just don't want to have their lives exposed and every little thing scrutinized including facebook photos from 15 years ago. Not to mention the shitty pay relative to private sector. It's kind of funny that the general consensus is that politicians are paid too much, but then the same people bitch about how incompetent they are and why they can't attract good people.

[kertejud2]

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I don't know why you're trying to fabricate arguments for arguments sake? You not being able to compare different parties ideologies next to eachother, or understand scientific method, do not bolster your argument that the Conservatives election losses are due to their incompetent leaders.

Party leaders sell the party platform and direct the party’s focus. Scheer had the election teed up and whiffed. No election has been set up easier for a conservative to win since Mulroney in the 80s. No inspiration. No understanding of the party’s vulnerabilities and short comings, and just a deer in the headlights at every turn. Because he ran on the leadership of giving the backbenchers Harper silenced their voices back, everything shifted to the tried and tested social values scare tactics, and there was nothing left to hit back with. Scheer let the focus get dictated by the Liberals and was just too bland and too dumb to counter it, acting with the grace and poise of a soggy piece of milquetoast.

When that’s presented as what the party has to offer, people will take style but no substance over no style or substance every day of the week.



O’Toole started off fine, then

[Buster]

The irony is that both @Misterman and @kertejud2 are correct in their assessments of the situation.

Conclusion: blow up confederation because it sucks donkey dick. Also the average Canadian is a pretty pathetic individual, and there aren't enough NON-average Canadians to make the country function properly.

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I’m going to vote Trudeau only because I want to see Canada turn into a complete woke socialist shit hole. We are only half way there at this point, another 4 years as a majority should get this country across the finish line. Only a total obliteration of our finances and social policies make WEXIT a possibility, not enough people see it as a viable reality.

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The irony is that both @Misterman and @kertejud2 are correct in their assessments of the situation.

Conclusion: blow up confederation because it sucks donkey dick. Also the average Canadian is a pretty pathetic individual, and there aren't enough NON-average Canadians to make the country function properly.

I think you and me should move to Denver and live happily ever after.

[Buster]

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I think you and me should move to Denver and live happily ever after.

I get the final rose?

[ExtraSlow]

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I get the final rose?

one of them. I have a lot of love to give.

[zechs]

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You always smelled like a Liberal to me

OToole, who I voted for because he was not McKay, is apparently just stealing his policies now. So the joke is on us?

I guess that leaves tossaway vote for PPC or a yet to be created Alberta Separation Party at the fed level.

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as for the "too liberal" PC candidates, that's all the party has been pushing for a while now. You aren't getting Michell Rempel-garner as leader, as fun as that would be.

[kertejud2]

If the party thinks it has been pushing any “too liberal” candidates then it’s safe to say they’ll never win again. O’Toole is as status quo as it gets. He’s only too liberal when put up against the likes of social regressive candidates like Sloane and Lewis.

The previous leadership vote had Chong come in 5th before the party pushed back. Of the four that beat him, two were socially conservative, one was a self-described libertarian (voting record would suggest otherwise, but he then started a party that had white nationalist support all the same) and the last was O’Toole. Behind Chong you had Kellie Leitch beat out other progressive voices like Lemieux and Raitt.

People have said the party needs to push more PC/type candidates, but the party members are not obliging.

[Misterman]

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The irony is that both @Misterman and @kertejud2 are correct in their assessments of the situation.

Conclusion: blow up confederation because it sucks donkey dick. Also the average Canadian is a pretty pathetic individual, and there aren't enough NON-average Canadians to make the country function properly.

Count me in!! This confederation thing is like an abusive relationship that a woman is afraid to flee from, because she is worried about having food and shelter if she leaves.

[suntan]

Nah we receive money now so confederation is now the greatest thing ever.

[suntan]

Well kiddies bond yields are creeping up as debt loads skyrocket and lenders are starting to wonder if governments can pay back their obligations.

Thing is they've only gone up a bit, problem being they went up a bit real fast and whole parts of economies are still shuttered. So next step is even higher bond yields. Stock market certainly thinks so.

Bond prices are falling as a result. If you have cash hold onto it, let's see if you can start getting GICs that pay out at 7% again.

It's been a while since M0 was expanded as much as it has been, so the real value of money has also tanked.

Good jorb everybody!

[Misterman]

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Well kiddies bond yields are creeping up as debt loads skyrocket and lenders are starting to wonder if governments can pay back their obligations.

Thing is they've only gone up a bit, problem being they went up a bit real fast and whole parts of economies are still shuttered. So next step is even higher bond yields. Stock market certainly thinks so.

Bond prices are falling as a result. If you have cash hold onto it, let's see if you can start getting GICs that pay out at 7% again.

It's been a while since M0 was expanded as much as it has been, so the real value of money has also tanked.

Good jorb everybody!

When your mortgage payment is 5000$/month, just remember how small of a price it is to pay for giving grandma a few extra months.