Maserati MC20

[vengie]

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I mean this thing looks cool, will probably be an entertaining car.

It’s out to lunch to draw any comparison between this and the MC12... that was a hyper car of its era, this (I don’t think?) is meant to be in the same arena at all. Hopefully buster is right and this is being positioned to be a 911 fighter.

I don't think anyone has compared it to the MC12? Instead most have said Maserati hasn't made anything relevant since the MC12.

If this thing is <$250,000 cdn I can see it doing decent.

[Xtrema]

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I don't think anyone has compared it to the MC12? Instead most have said Maserati hasn't made anything relevant since the MC12.

If this thing is <$250,000 cdn I can see it doing decent.

Rumor is $150-$250K USD.

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Wow … It is stunning, 600+ HP on a V6 turbo .. wor….

So, it is a V6 Turbo Hybrid … or a V6 and a electric version?

Well, MB is able to push 200hp/l in the A45 so not impossible and Ford GT has 650/550 with a 3.5L.

[Buster]

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The prevailing theory is that the MC20 was originally intended to be a reborn Ferrari Dino, but it would have increased Ferrari's total production volume and ended a critical EU emissions exemption.

Instead, the Dino became a higher volume, lower priced Maserati. Meanwhile, the new Roma was originally intended to be the long discussed Gran Turismo follow up, the Alfieri, but was turned into the Roma, where a higher price was achievable with the horse on the front instead of the Trident.

It would have been a perfect Dino, I think. I'm pretty disappointed in the Roma. At least the Portfofino is supposed to be a good car - after about a decade of revisions to finally get it there. (After the tail-light debacle on the Cali)

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Rumor is $150-$250K USD...

LoL at the range on that estimate!
"Might be $150k unless it turns out to be 67% more!"

[ExtraSlow]

Might be $250k or maybe 40% less!

[rage2]

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LoL at the range on that estimate!
"Might be $150k unless it turns out to be 67% more!"

It's the range covering the multiple models. From the base V6TT only model to the full hybrid model to the track special model.

[A790]

Fack. The more I look at it, the more I like it.

[you&me]

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LoL at the range on that estimate!
"Might be $150k unless it turns out to be 67% more!"

That's the holy grail of car production... Options, trim & packages that inflate the total MSRP is mostly gravy to the manufacturers (and to a lesser extent, dealers)... Porsche wrote the play book and the Ferrari Italian-ized it.

[Buster]

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That's the holy grail of car production... Options, trim & packages that inflate the total MSRP is mostly gravy to the manufacturers (and to a lesser extent, dealers)... Porsche wrote the play book and the Ferrari Italian-ized it.

Porsche is the worst. $100k 911 up to the moon on the same platform. McLaren is bad too...same motor and tub, with $200k cars up to multimillion cars.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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That's the holy grail of car production... Options, trim & packages that inflate the total MSRP is mostly gravy to the manufacturers (and to a lesser extent, dealers)... Porsche wrote the play book and the Ferrari Italian-ized it.

Porsche does this with options, Ferrari doesn't.
Completely different models are completely different models. No one should be taking about a Carrera like it's an underdressed GT2-RS.

[ExtraSlow]

Cough Ford F150 cough.

[you&me]

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Porsche does this with options, Ferrari doesn't.

LOL. Apple Carplay is a US$4200 option in a Ferrari The average Pista Spider has ~US$150k in options; that's almost 50% over the base price. If that's not taking the (Porsche) recipe and adding some Italian flare, I don't know what is...

Completely different models are completely different models. No one should be taking about a Carrera like it's an underdressed GT2-RS.

No, but plenty of people joke about a GT2RS as an overdressed C2... Ferrari doesn't have the model depth to pull something like that off, but I bet they wish they could! Instead, they just come out with the "special" cars (Pista, TDF, etc) and inflate the base price by 30%, then "encourage" bloated builds in a way only the Italians can, aka "add all this crap or you're not getting a car"...

Buster's right in that McLaren does it too with the various trims within each model line, which are all the same platform underneath from base to peak of their range.

ES is (of course) also correct... Ford's sprinkled some of that magic on the F150s and *cough* Lincoln Navigator...

[Buster]

It's a testament to Porsche engineering that they can produce and sell a relatively cheap C2 and get it all the way to a GT2-RS. The higher end 911 range are entirely focused on performance and not image or exclusivity. There is something commendable in that. Personally, I need a "smile" factor in my cars, which trumps outright track performance. Platform sharing reduces that smile factor. That's what is so appealing about the cheaper McLarens...you're getting the benefit on the opposite end of the spectrum.

[rage2]

EV version coming. MC20 Folgore, 3 motor (1 front 2 rear), more power than the standard version.

[Buster]

gross

[Xtrema]

Dubbed Nettuno—Italian for Neptune, whose trident inspired the Maserati logo—the engine displaces 3.0 liters and produces 621 horsepower at 7,500 rpm and 538 lb-ft of torque from 3,000 to 5,500 rpm. It has a dry sump and double overhead camshafts with variable valve timing. It also features 12 spark plugs and 12 combustion chambers.

Wow.

210HP/L, 5.1lb/HP Those are some impressive numbers.

[bjstare]

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Wow.

210HP/L, 5.1lb/HP Those are some impressive numbers.

Is it built by Italians? Gonna self destruct before it gets off the lot.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Wow.

210HP/L, 5.1lb/HP Those are some impressive numbers.

This thing is starting to make me moist!

[ThePenIsMightier]

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LOL. Apple Carplay is a US$4200 option in a Ferrari The average Pista Spider has ~US$150k in options; that's almost 50% over the base price. If that's not taking the (Porsche) recipe and adding some Italian flare, I don't know what is...



No, but plenty of people joke about a GT2RS as an overdressed C2... Ferrari doesn't have the model depth to pull something like that off, but I bet they wish they could! Instead, they just come out with the "special" cars (Pista, TDF, etc) and inflate the base price by 30%, then "encourage" bloated builds in a way only the Italians can, aka "add all this crap or you're not getting a car"...

Buster's right in that McLaren does it too with the various trims within each model line, which are all the same platform underneath from base to peak of their range.

ES is (of course) also correct... Ford's sprinkled some of that magic on the F150s and *cough* Lincoln Navigator...

Oohhhh noooes! $4100 on a >$300k car.
Perhaps we were arguing when we really weren't arguing. What I'm getting at, partially, is that a standard Ferrari comes quite well dressed whereas Porsche has more a history of the base model having black VW door handles that they then want $3k to colour match, and, and, and and! Plus, most are far less money than Ferrari.
That's more in line with the F-150 system of "you can buy our truck for $18k but the one you want is $48k".

[cam_wmh]

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This looks really interesting.

https://jalopnik.com/heres-the-2021-...o-s-1844990074

I don't like the V6 nor the hybrid, but otherwise this looks great. Styling is really good, size should be bang on. If they can get the price right (911 Turbo S money?), then they might have a winner.

And this coming from a guy that thinks Maseratis are a pile of hot garbage.

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Curious
What’s your criteria? European? Limited volumes and doesn’t share any lineage with a platform for the plebs?
Track it?
Aesthetically, sound, but not too radical?
Needs to be an auto? PDK/DSG/Graziano/ZF.. I’m not overly familiar with em.