Nissan 400z

[heavyD]

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I'm guessing Car and Driver journalists don't know how to drive. 4th gen camaro's ran mid-low 13's with a stick back in the friggin 90's, and were contenders for a 13 flat if you weren't skierd to do a clutch dump on drag radials and take your chances the 10 bolt wouldn't die.

The 400z with its power is solidly high 12's. The supra with auto and launch control obviously slayed, kind of a pointless datapoint to get hung up on.

Absolutely. No need to get overly focused on one datapoint when one of the cars is simply better all around.

In every other way, the Supra wins the bout as the superior sports car. As much as the Z is better than the 370Z it replaces, it's more of a "sporty" car compared to the Supra.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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It has the power. Camissa raced a manual, and auto, and a supra.

The auto Z was 12.3 - it moves. It has all of the 400hp.



Here.

It sounds like they need to calibrate their launch control or something in their nannies (on the Z) because he mentioned excessive wheel spin through more than one gear, which seems like a ridiculous error.

[zechs]

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Absolutely. No need to get overly focused on one datapoint when one of the cars is simply better all around.

Oh I'm not arguing the Z is better than the Supra, I don't think that argument was ever in the running for being correct.

In Canada, I can see a sizeable price difference, and the car with more power and a stick being what I imagine $10k cdn or more cheaper sells it for me.

As TPiM pointed out, the Z is much faster than a 13 flat if the driving is spinning in multiple gears.

[94boosted]

I cancelled my order for a Boulder Gray Z Performance at Fish Creek Nissan, I was #2 on their list, and the order was confirmed by Nissan Canada. FYI, in case anyone is interested.

Going to stick my '23 MT Supra order and just hope it comes by next spring.

[heavyD]

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...a-30-compared/

We know. We hated to write that as much as you're disappointed to read it. One of the most oft-repeated mutterings during this test went something like "I wanted to like it more than I did." Our initial brief encounter with the Z at the launch event showed promise, but in this longer fight against direct and tangential rivals on roads of our own choosing, the long-awaited Z fell to the back of the pack. At first glance it captures the value and performance of the original Z quite well, but nothing brings flaws to light like several days of driving the competition.

I'm no Nissan lover for sure but as a supporter of sports cars and sporty models it's a shame this car is likely to be forgotten quickly.

[bjstare]

A shame, perhaps. Far from a surprise though.

Nissan gonna Nissan.

[jutes]

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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...a-30-compared/

Test forgot to include the Camaro SS 1LE. Probably for the best.

[vengie]

Jeez I've written off the Mustang for years.

Good on Ford.

[Kloubek]

Honestly, I just don't like the looks of the new Z. I commented somewhere earlier in the thread about this, but I thought that maybe given more time it would grow on me. It hasn't.

I think the side profile looks good - although almost an identical shape to the outgoing model. In fact, I feel overall that too much of the old model found its way into this one.

I think the rear looks generally alright, and I like the retro-inspired taillights.

But that front end just doesn't do it for me. I STILL feel the rectangle air intake in the front looks out of place and lacking design, and I also feel those headlights look too "droopy" as opposed to aggressive.

Now hearing that the performance is so-so, I can't see myself ever owning one of these.

[killramos]

I’ve heard nothing but good things about the Mach 1, a buddy picked one up and loves it.

[ExtraSlow]

Edit wrong thread>

[Buster]

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Edit wrong thread>

story of my life.

[DonJuan]

Looks like Nissan should have started with the 370Z Nismo suspension and improved from there.

Every test I've read they all complain about the damn Bridgestones; makes me wish some Sport Cup 2 could be a dealer installed option.

I still think Base model + LSD + Brakes and some after market goodies and tires will make this a quick fun car for cheaper than competitors. But lose all warranty in the process? nah

Nismo edition with new front bumper PLZ

[killramos]

Cup tires on this? lol

[DonJuan]

They put huge ones on the Mach 1. They turn anything into track car.

[heavyD]

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Jeez I've written off the Mustang for years.

Good on Ford.

To be fair to the other cars, the Mach 1 rides on massive Cup 2 tires. Massive advantage there. Very few non-exotic production cars come with 305 tires and those are just the front tires lol.

F: 305/30ZR-19 (98Y)
R: 315/30ZR-19 (100Y)

[94boosted]

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To be fair to the other cars, the Mach 1 rides on massive Cup 2 tires. Massive advantage there. Very few non-exotic production cars come with 305 tires and those are just the front tires lol.

F: 305/30ZR-19 (98Y)
R: 315/30ZR-19 (100Y)

It needs that much tire with its curb weight, that yank tank is heavy

[zechs]

Before the end of the world, a base 5.0 stick car was $35k+gst.

Nothing could come close to the performance bargain there. And the slap on a YUGE roots blower and run low 9's on ethanol.

[bjstare]

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Before the end of the world, a base 5.0 stick car was $35k+gst.

Nothing could come close to the performance bargain there. And the slap on a YUGE roots blower and run into crowds of innocent bystanders like it’s your job.

Ftfy

[DonJuan]

Do the hokey pokey as the tow truck pulls you out