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    Default Judge cites residential schools and colonialism during sentencing of murder suspect.

    Ok. Now this is something else.

    This guy in Red Deer, very lengthy criminal history, kills a guy. He’s arrested and held until a judge grants him bail. He’s released on bail and right away, attacks another person with a machete. He’s arrested again. Him/his lawyer manage to get the Crown to withdraw the attempted murder charge from the machete attack. The judge cites colonialism and residential schools as factors during sentencing on the remaining charges. He’s still being held on the original murder charge.

    This is beyond fucked up. This guy has some privilege he better check.

    News story here:

    https://rdnewsnow.com/2020/09/21/att...NdvrvJMiWOobP8
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladue...adue_Principle

    Yeah it's been a thing for a while. Don't blame the judges they have been told this is law...

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    Fuck that’s crazy. This guy has nothing to do with residential schools or colonialism. He just wants to cause carnage... which he has done for a number of years now. I doubt the murder charge sticks.
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    Gotta love minimum sentencing requirements

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    I mean this has been a thing since sometime back in 1996?

    The sentencing judge has a statutory duty, imposed by s. 718.2(e) of the Criminal Code, to consider the unique circumstances of Aboriginal offenders. Failure to apply Gladue in any case involving an Aboriginal offender runs afoul of this statutory obligation. As these reasons have explained, such a failure would also result in a sentence that was not fit and was not consistent with the fundamental principle of proportionality. Therefore, application of the Gladue principles is required in every case involving an Aboriginal offender, including breach of an LTSO, and a failure to do so constitutes an error justifying appellate intervention.
    So yeah the judges hands are tied so don't go blaming the judges this is due to decisions made by the legislative arm.

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    Don’t you know we can cancel things now.

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    He was released on bail on Dec 2, 2019 on the second-degree murder charge.

    He was then arrested on Dec 11, 2019 for attempted murder as well as the obstruction and breach of recognizance charges.

    He's been in custody since then.

    The Crown dropped the charges on attempted murder.

    So this was a sentencing for obstruction and breach of recognizance. The judge gave 2 x 30 days, considered served since he's been in custody for over 200 days.

    He remains in custody for the second-degree murder charge, the trial happening next March.


    So somebody was arrested, granted bail, arrested again for breaching the conditions of bail and is now awaiting trial for next year.

    Not quite as juicy when it's written like that, I guess.

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    Until a FN (who has been released because of this) kills a person of importance, none of this will change.

    Politicians are pussies, worried about their reelections, instead of making laws that apply equally and fairly.

    Note there is some leniency/consideration as well applied to non FN folks, like those who came from an abusive situation, are young and committed their first serious offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    He was released on bail on Dec 2, 2019 on the second-degree murder charge.

    He was then arrested on Dec 11, 2019 for attempted murder as well as the obstruction and breach of recognizance charges.

    He's been in custody since then.

    The Crown dropped the charges on attempted murder.

    So this was a sentencing for obstruction and breach of recognizance. The judge gave 2 x 30 days, considered served since he's been in custody for over 200 days.

    He remains in custody for the second-degree murder charge, the trial happening next March.


    So somebody was arrested, granted bail, arrested again for breaching the conditions of bail and is now awaiting trial for next year.

    Not quite as juicy when it's written like that, I guess.
    We wouldn’t be talking about it at all if he wasn’t granted bail as murder suspect. This guy has a very lengthy criminal history.

    But I find humour in the system taking into account colonialism when dealing with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    Until a FN (who has been released because of this) kills a person of importance, none of this will change.

    Politicians are pussies, worried about their reelections, instead of making laws that apply equally and fairly.

    Note there is some leniency/consideration as well applied to non FN folks, like those who came from an abusive situation, are young and committed their first serious offense.
    The blame falls squarely on canadian citizens for the current mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    He was released on bail on Dec 2, 2019 on the second-degree murder charge.

    He was then arrested on Dec 11, 2019 for attempted murder as well as the obstruction and breach of recognizance charges.

    He's been in custody since then.

    The Crown dropped the charges on attempted murder.

    So this was a sentencing for obstruction and breach of recognizance. The judge gave 2 x 30 days, considered served since he's been in custody for over 200 days.

    He remains in custody for the second-degree murder charge, the trial happening next March.


    So somebody was arrested, granted bail, arrested again for breaching the conditions of bail and is now awaiting trial for next year.

    Not quite as juicy when it's written like that, I guess.
    Hey, could you go find a fire and die in it? Please?
    It is so bad when you read it. Recall the first part:


    He was released on bail on Dec 2, 2019 on the second-degree murder charge.

    He was then arrested on Dec 11, 2019 for attempted murder...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    Hey, could you go find a fire and die in it? Please?
    It is so bad when you read it. Recall the first part:


    He was released on bail on Dec 2, 2019 on the second-degree murder charge.

    He was then arrested on Dec 11, 2019 for attempted murder...
    And the Crown dropped the charges to attempted murder, so what do you expect the judge to do about it?

    The judge sentenced on the only charges presented.

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    maybe he just thought he was clearing some brush?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    maybe he just thought he was clearing some brush?
    Couple people got in the way, these things happen.

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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    And the Crown dropped the charges to attempted murder, so what do you expect the judge to do about it?

    The judge sentenced on the only charges presented.
    So are you saying he is a chill guy?

    The Canadian legal system is fuked

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    Fuck that’s crazy. This guy has nothing to do with residential schools or colonialism. He just wants to cause carnage... which he has done for a number of years now. I doubt the murder charge sticks.
    are you suggesting the judge uses something other then the facts before him when it comes to the decisions they make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwill View Post
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    are you suggesting the judge uses something other then the facts before him when it comes to the decisions they make?
    The “facts” are this guy has nothing to do with residential schools and colonialism. He wasn’t around.

    Not sure what evidence the Crown had in the attempted murder case. Hopefully the murder charge locks this POS up for a long time. But I have no faith in our system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 16hypen3sp View Post
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    The “facts” are this guy has nothing to do with residential schools and colonialism. He wasn’t around.

    Not sure what evidence the Crown had in the attempted murder case. Hopefully the murder charge locks this POS up for a long time. But I have no faith in our system.
    so the judge took fabricated/fake evidence and used it in a trial?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwill View Post
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    so the judge took fabricated/fake evidence and used it in a trial?
    No. Residential schools and colonialism definitely happened... but not to this particular guy. The judge is also known to be a little out there as well. But that's just speculation from me, a guy in the local area dealing with fucking idiots like Strawberry in this case. Guy should be locked up for a long, long time.
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    It feels wierd that I'm arguing this since apparently I'm super racist

    But the exemption needs to continue... However I really think it should be handled more like the mental health side if the justice system.

    Yes your family lost 4-6 generations of appropriate parenting skills and modeling. Here's a program to aide you in learning those skills.

    But its only applied on the first adult offense. This multiple murder scenario without being locked up is sadly a result of the in perpetuity nature of the system that's been built.

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