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Ended up with the 686 GLCR GT GoreTex. Bought from a shop in Penticiton as they had the color I wanted and offered the same sale price as the 686 website. (None of the local shops had the color in stock I wanted... and one silly shop in Kelowna wouldnt match the sale price on the 686 site as the size I wanted wasnt listed in stock. Shortsighted as I bought a bunch of other stuff too.)