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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    Dumb question, but would the dealer even rebuild these? If the dealer wont open up or touch these then you know its something pretty bad and can only really be properly serviced by specialists. One good way to gauge sentiment.

    edit - and by 'robust' you are referring a relative standard? lol .... (ie. robust in comparison to other RR models/years).
    Haha. I suppose relative to other LRs. I know the engine well, as it is the same one I had in two XFs prior to my XFR. They fixed the diffs issues. By most accounts, these are the years to buy. Are they less reliable than other brands still? Likely. But if they are issues that don't strand the vehicle and issues I can fix myself, I can live with that.

    As for the dealer not touching them, I don't believe they typically do not. But I also think that's the norm for all dealers. That's what tranny shops are for.
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    What real time data can be pulled from a TCU? If you can run with it monitoring the sensors, you might be able to diagnose why it's not runnning right. Never seen TCU real time monitoring data but that's an idea.
    Or could buy AMA, drive till you can't, put in the rebuilt one and call it a learning experience?? Sucks all around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 88CRX View Post
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    Isn't the jerking a standard feature with every god damn ZF transmission on the road?

    Seriously, their stupid fucking transmissions suck in virtually every Acura on the road. And they have major issues in many Jeeps as well.
    ZF8 is an incredible transmission, one that’s used in tons of cars and trucks. Smooth, can handle plenty of power, shift very fast (0.1s shifts in Lexus isf)... unless I’m missing something?

    I realize zf8 isn’t what’s in this RR. Obviously, RR picks the least reliable option of any piece of equipment in their vehicles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloubek View Post
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    Haha. I suppose relative to other LRs. I know the engine well, as it is the same one I had in two XFs prior to my XFR. They fixed the diffs issues. By most accounts, these are the years to buy. Are they less reliable than other brands still? Likely. But if they are issues that don't strand the vehicle and issues I can fix myself, I can live with that.

    As for the dealer not touching them, I don't believe they typically do not. But I also think that's the norm for all dealers. That's what tranny shops are for.
    When I was a lowly tech assistant at a GM dealer in the late 90s, we did some basic repairs on the trannys of the time in the shop. With my 2005 merc, the dealer shops here can do work on the transmission valve body (as can experienced DIYers).

    If the RR shop wont touch these, and then recommends against a rebuild for eg. (or, rebuilds need to be done in say, Belgium only) then you have a good idea its going to be a coin toss if some shop locally tries to work on these.

    And specific make/year subforums are an absolute GOLD mine for used vehicle nerds: is this what you are after?

    https://www.rangerovers.net/threads/...t-gear.173146/

    This is a well known issue and the technical bulletin is LTB00267 i think your best option is take this information to your Stealers , $300 sounds annoying but they will have the right software although I believe a Faultmate can reflash gearboxes and IID tools might be bringing it soon but don't quote me on any of that .
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    Thanks for doing that search for me. I wonder if he would be interested in getting the software reset from the dealer before dropping another unit in there. I'll let him know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloubek View Post
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    Thanks for doing that search for me. I wonder if he would be interested in getting the software reset from the dealer before dropping another unit in there. I'll let him know.
    That was a 2 min search - very generic.

    I'd spend a little more time with the vehicle chassis - or transmission ID codes specifically and geek out some more on these forums/google. For eg. my engine on the merc is a M113 unit and I can pull up much more info specific to it that way.

    Most shops will never bother with anything like this - even if they are at an impasse. You might have to do the online troubleshooting for them.
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    Isn't there a Wheeler Dealers where Edd fixed one of these transmissions?

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    Consider this a lesson learned, IMO. These transmissions are notoriously difficult. Everyone turning down the reman job locally should've been a huge red flag. Unfortunately, the rebuilder is probably great with conventional transmissions, but these ZF units require so many proprietary processes that there's no way this guy would've been doing a factory spec reman.

    I wouldn't spend any more money on it. Cut your losses, walk away. Don't be mired by sunk cost.

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    FWIW I'd get away from that range ASAP. Garbage vehicle. If you need a transmission, get a reman'd unit from the pros.

    https://www.roverparts.com/transmiss...on/TGD500560RK
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    ouch ..... expensive lesson for sure

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    Just out of curiosity, did you try TRS before going ahead with all this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    Just out of curiosity, did you try TRS before going ahead with all this?
    I did. They said they weren't too interested in working on transmissions. Maybe just not the ZF.

    So, I reached a compromise with the shop 20 minutes ago. He did say I could just come down and pick it up as is at no charge, but knowing all the money he sunk into it, I didn't want to do that to him. We agreed to $4500 for the used transmission with 115k, and a 1 year warranty. Its not THAT much more than I would have paid for a used swap to start with, and the warranty is worth something to me.

    At least this way we both walk away with a handshake.

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    Good work making something work for both of you coming out of the situation. Shitty to pour this money into an old euro car, but hopefully you'll get a bunch of enjoyment out of it now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by riander5 View Post
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    Good work making something work for both of you coming out of the situation. Shitty to pour this money into an old euro car, but hopefully you'll get a bunch of enjoyment out of it now!
    ...After I fix the badly worn control arms. (Another known weak spot of the l322)

    The parts onslaught has already started....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloubek View Post
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    I did. They said they weren't too interested in working on transmissions. Maybe just not the ZF.

    So, I reached a compromise with the shop 20 minutes ago. He did say I could just come down and pick it up as is at no charge, but knowing all the money he sunk into it, I didn't want to do that to him. We agreed to $4500 for the used transmission with 115k, and a 1 year warranty. Its not THAT much more than I would have paid for a used swap to start with, and the warranty is worth something to me.

    At least this way we both walk away with a handshake.
    You Sir are a gentleman and a brother. I approve of your response this this unfortunate situation.
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    I am on my 4th 68RFE trans in my 08 Cummins + converters One thing the Dodge TCM does is a long term CVI re-learn process. This can take weeks or months depending on how much you drive. I wonder if your TCM does the same thing. I finally bit the bullet and put in a NAPC heavy hauler and I just baby it. I have a tuner set on tow mode and I just leave it alone. If I change the tune on my minimax the trans will re-do the long term CVI process. I still get some hard 1-2 gear shifts/codes but it seems to be holding up with no problems towing.

    Regardless I have spent 14ishK on this stupid old truck. Biggest financial loss I have had in my life. Sucks. You might just need to put some miles on the trans and it will smooth out over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    You Sir are a gentleman and a brother. I approve of your response this this unfortunate situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by legendboy View Post
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    I am on my 4th 68RFE trans in my 08 Cummins + converters One thing the Dodge TCM does is a long term CVI re-learn process. This can take weeks or months depending on how much you drive. I wonder if your TCM does the same thing. I finally bit the bullet and put in a NAPC heavy hauler and I just baby it. I have a tuner set on tow mode and I just leave it alone. If I change the tune on my minimax the trans will re-do the long term CVI process. I still get some hard 1-2 gear shifts/codes but it seems to be holding up with no problems towing.

    Regardless I have spent 14ishK on this stupid old truck. Biggest financial loss I have had in my life. Sucks. You might just need to put some miles on the trans and it will smooth out over time.
    Jfc man that really sucks. Dodges always scared me without the Aisin, I thought I would really enjoy a 6.7 with a stick but I did not.

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    Unfortunate for both. At least you both feel you got an ok compromise. No one won in this situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo View Post
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    Jfc man that really sucks. Dodges always scared me without the Aisin, I thought I would really enjoy a 6.7 with a stick but I did not.
    I looked for one for months but they are all going south. 3k southbend clutch and your good. 68rfe is a pos
    Know a few guys with 5.9's that have done nv5600 with good results. I imagine the cost would be comparable to a BD
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    Kloubek is a stand-up guy. Not surprised he ended up with this solution with the shop. Nicely done.

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