What's your thoughts on "The Great Reset"

[Xtrema]

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Given what I know. I'd much more support a beefed up school program to feed and get clothing/supplies to the kids that attend who need it.
Parents are going to spend UBI on what they want first (generally) and food ain't one of them.

But feeding kids at school isn't going to buy votes. Maybe long term when they become 18. But who knows what Trudeau will identify as when that happens.

Still got my Ralph Bucks PC here somewhere, probably in pieces tho.

We already had our UBI experiment called CERB and while it legitimately help some, most other just went to PS5 and stonks (or flipping the PS5s for stonks). Every gov program will have undeserved recipients. I have no problem looking at UBI as a replacement for may be 5+ current government programs to streamline and reduce cost of operating those programs. But we all know it's going to have its own hookers and blackjack tables.

[killramos]

Yes. UBI only works out if we eliminate the rest of the safety net in exchange and literally let people rot if they make bad decisions.

I highly doubt most of the bleeding hearts advocating for it would allow that.

Instead UBI is just a massive expansion of socialist wealth redistributions, like pretty much every other government policy.

[Buster]

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Yes. UBI only works out if we eliminate the rest of the safety net in exchange and literally let people rot if they make bad decisions.

I highly doubt most of the bleeding hearts advocating for it would allow that.

Instead UBI is just a massive expansion of socialist wealth redistributions, like pretty much every other government policy.

this is why UBI will never happen. Ever.

[suntan]

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this is why UBI will never happen. Ever.

Imagine Trudeau explaining why CPP is redundant in an UBI system.

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UBI is a great idea if your dream is a nation full of Frank Gallaghers.

[CUG]

@davidI don't let Buster's stoicism offer anything more than an opinion. Conditions that exist as a result of capitalism is a capitalist outcome, whether or not he wants to try and dictionary the discussion. Literalists just move goal posts for a living. Socialists and communists do the same thing by saying a condition or situation wasn't a true definition of XYZ political structure. Capitalists and conservatives are starting to do it more frequently now as well. Buster, that shit's funny, but it's retiring any critical evaluation in the name of protecting a core belief.

[suntan]

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@davidI don't let Buster's stoicism offer anything more than an opinion. Conditions that exist as a result of capitalism is a capitalist outcome, whether or not he wants to try and dictionary the discussion. Literalists just move goal posts for a living. Socialists and communists do the same thing by saying a condition or situation wasn't a true definition of XYZ political structure. Capitalists and conservatives are starting to do it more frequently now as well. Buster, that shit's funny, but it's retiring any critical evaluation in the name of protecting a core belief.

Alright, what is it you want?

UBI? Okay then, I figure then everybody that makes over about $60000/yr will have to pay about 60% in income taxes if you're looking for a self-sustaining system. Based on empirical data from other countries a total tax burden of about 70% results in mass migration of those earners.

Like I don't think you understand just how many people make < $40K/yr. More importantly, you clearly don't know how few people make what you or I make. And taxing the fuck out of us isn't enough to run something like UBI.

Shall we tax wealth? Great! Get rid of all tax shelters. All RRSPs and TFSAs get converted to taxable investment accounts. Add on a yearly cap gains tax.

Hell since you'll get UBI until you're dead, why even hoard wealth at all? The gov't should just take it all.

But at the end of the day, you've sacrificed continued productivity for short-term cash. And that will, absolutely guaranteed, lead to monetary inflation.

[Buster]

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@davidI don't let Buster's stoicism offer anything more than an opinion. Conditions that exist as a result of capitalism is a capitalist outcome, whether or not he wants to try and dictionary the discussion. Literalists just move goal posts for a living. Socialists and communists do the same thing by saying a condition or situation wasn't a true definition of XYZ political structure. Capitalists and conservatives are starting to do it more frequently now as well. Buster, that shit's funny, but it's retiring any critical evaluation in the name of protecting a core belief.

People removing free markets is the opposite of people creating free markets. You're making a claim that free markets eventually lead to not free markets. There is no reason for that to be an inherent feature of free markets and capitalism.

You've made a terrible point.

[Antonito]

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People removing free markets is the opposite of people creating free markets. You're making a claim that free markets eventually lead to not free markets. There is no reason for that to be an inherent feature of free markets and capitalism.

You've made a terrible point.

No true capitalism

We haven't actually tried capitalism

Capitalism cannot fail, it can only be failed

[mr2mike]

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UBI is a great idea if your dream is a nation full of Frank Gallaghers.

“When I collect workman's comp, some lady has to fill out the paperwork. That's her job. If it wasn't for me, she'd be unemployed.”
-Frank Gallagher

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“When I collect workman's comp, some lady has to fill out the paperwork. That's her job. If it wasn't for me, she'd be unemployed.”
-Frank Gallagher

Frank's the best.

[vengie]

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“When I collect workman's comp, some lady has to fill out the paperwork. That's her job. If it wasn't for me, she'd be unemployed.”
-Frank Gallagher

But now everyone will be on UBI, so why would I want to fill out the paperwork for you when I can do nothing and collect just as much as you do?

*explosion sounds*

[ZenOps]

About 10 million delivery jobs are about to evaporate. Dominos is following Kroger and doing the autonomous driver in electric car thing. About 8 to 12 cents per delivery, which will only get cheaper in the future if they expand the efficiency of the power grid and start removing gasoline based tech.

Can a human compete with that in a capitalist system? Of course not, human can't even compete with that in a communist system. 8 to 12 cents will let you start the engine and pay for two seconds of human wages.

As I've said before, both left and right are obsolete when the machine starts to take over the human mind.

[CUG]

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People removing free markets is the opposite of people creating free markets. You're making a claim that free markets eventually lead to not free markets. There is no reason for that to be an inherent feature of free markets and capitalism.

You've made a terrible point.

If your free market is a dumpster fire, and in an effort to life/quality of life/peace - requires regulation of that free market, then free market capitalism is causal. I'm not sure I can simplify anything for you to the level you'll be able to digest. You're far too simplistic.

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No true capitalism

We haven't actually tried capitalism

Capitalism cannot fail, it can only be failed

by anti-union, anti-labor, anti-bigscaryboogeyman.

The wealthy elite need labour, labour does not need the wealthy elite; least of all thousandaires believing they can be billionaires some day but acting like they're already there. Buster, come at me about trickle-down econ now

[Buster]

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If your free market is a dumpster fire, and in an effort to life/quality of life/peace - requires regulation of that free market, then free market capitalism is causal. I'm not sure I can simplify anything for you to the level you'll be able to digest. You're far too simplistic.

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by anti-union, anti-labor, anti-bigscaryboogeyman.

The wealthy elite need labour, labour does not need the wealthy elite; least of all thousandaires believing they can be billionaires some day but acting like they're already there. Buster, come at me about trickle-down econ now

These are the same dogshit Marxist ideologies that have been peed down peoples' legs for decades. You're not doing anything new here.

[CUG]

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These are the same dogshit Marxist ideologies that have been peed down peoples' legs for decades. You're not doing anything new here.

Hold the line every Good Christian™ learned from their pappy and they grand-pappy. You're not making a confident rebuttal. At least we agree on vaccines though.

[Buster]

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Hold the line every Good Christian™ learned from their pappy and they grand-pappy. You're not making a confident rebuttal. At least we agree on vaccines though.

I'm not making a rebuttal at all... I'm telling you your arguments are boring and played out. You're no longer holding my interest.

[ZenOps]

The problem with capitalism, is that people have to respect the money that it is based upon. When Evander Kane declares bankruptcy on $49 million - is Capitalism even really relevant? While you may respect it, there are plenty of people who do not. Like Madoff, it wasn't about growth - it was all just a cruel game.

[CUG]

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I'm not making a rebuttal at all... I'm telling you your arguments are boring and played out. You're no longer holding my interest.

The comment wasn't: "Tell me I choked out your Stockholm Syndrome-fueled arguments without actually saying it" what a weird way to admit you're completely outclassed in every measure. Sad.

[Buster]

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The comment wasn't: "Tell me I choked out your Stockholm Syndrome-fueled arguments without actually saying it" what a weird way to admit you're completely outclassed in every measure. Sad.

No. I've just heard all the Marxist nonsense before...and better.