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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE View Post
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    Part B there is every socialist country..........ever?
    We're living in socialism right now, because our capitalism 100 years ago didn't work. Communism treats people like subhumans, again communism doesn't work either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    There are going to implement something. They might even call it a UBI. But it will just be another layer of welfare with the retention of the existing welfare system. Which is the worst of all worlds.
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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Ooooooooo caaaaaaanadaaaaaaaaaaa
    Stop committing so many hate crimes and sing the fucking anthem in Cree/Français with no gender pronouns like a proper Canadian (Unic)!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    We're living in socialism right now, because our capitalism 100 years ago didn't work. Communism treats people like subhumans, again communism doesn't work either.
    What do you mean? Capitalism in the 20th century has been a spectacular success.

    I've seen strong arguments that capitalism is the greatest invention of peoplekind.

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    Communism did work in the USA. 160 million acres of the USA was divided up for free to 1 million people. Black people got "40 acres and a mule".

    When Trump talked of the great old days, he is talking about the period after WWII up to the sixties. Which is Eisenhower and his 91% tax rate.

    Could it work again? Doesn't really matter because humans are mostly obsolete when faced with the machine. What people really are going to be getting is slavery of the machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    What do you mean? Capitalism in the 20th century has been a spectacular success.

    I've seen strong arguments that capitalism is the greatest invention of peoplekind.
    Only because we were able export all the bad parts to other countries. But the counter argument is that workers' right is why we don't make anything here any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    Only because we were able export all the bad parts to other countries. But the counter argument is that workers' right is why we don't make anything here any more.
    What do you mean we exported all the best parts? You mean the roof jumpers into the suicide nets in XXXXX province?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    There are going to implement something. They might even call it a UBI. But it will just be another layer of welfare with the retention of the existing welfare system. Which is the worst of all worlds.
    God dammit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    What do you mean? Capitalism in the 20th century has been a spectacular success.

    I've seen strong arguments that capitalism is the greatest invention of peoplekind.
    Late 20th century. After the government decided they couldn't just let corporations have a free-for-all and implemented regulations to protect workers. This of course means it wasn't actually pure capitalism, but a blend.

    Don't get me wrong, I despise that we're socialists that are going MORE towards communism (ie UBI). We hit the sweet spot a few decades ago and before I even entered the workforce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    Late 20th century. After the government decided they couldn't just let corporations have a free-for-all and implemented regulations to protect workers. This of course means it wasn't actually pure capitalism, but a blend.

    Don't get me wrong, I despise that we're socialists that are going MORE towards communism (ie UBI). We hit the sweet spot a few decades ago and before I even entered the workforce.
    The core of capitalism isn't a lack of worker safety. The core of capitalism is the mechanism which are used to set prices. We can have a discussion about whether worker safety was a natural progression of business and culture or a legislated thing (or both). But ultimately worker safety is not the type of regulatory environment that is designed to set prices even if the additional overhead will impact prices in a minor relatively even way. I would say that worker safety laws are often regulation done right.

    People think that abuse of labour is part of the definition of capitalism, which is not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    What do you mean we exported all the best parts? You mean the roof jumpers into the suicide nets in XXXXX province?
    Yup.

    or

    https://www.imore.com/apple-confirms...20of%20dollars.

    or

    https://longreads.com/2018/06/12/how...-its-products/

    The billion or so Chinese who felt they got left behind by the richer 400M is gonna start another cultural revolution soon.

    Anyway, I like capitalism but I think we just disagree on the level of check and balance applied.

    The whole UBI sounds good if it scraps everything else like EI and OAS. But I think you are right that UBI will be a label of another program that lays over the top of everything else just to buy votes in the next election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    Yup.

    or

    https://www.imore.com/apple-confirms...20of%20dollars.

    or

    https://longreads.com/2018/06/12/how...-its-products/

    The billion or so Chinese who felt they got left behind by the richer 400M is gonna start another cultural revolution soon.
    I'm not sure this bolsters your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    1. Well resourced people aren't struggling because they are well resourced. That's the point of being well-resourced.
    2. Scarcity increasing prices is a positive signal of markets functioning as they should. Higher prices means new entrants and a reduction in prices.
    3. Move from being less resourced to more resourced. See #2
    4. Well positioned firms should make profits, record or no record. If they are well positioned because of gov't activity and influence, then that is not capitalism.
    5. creative destruction is a positive outcome of capitalism
    6. governments are a poor allocator of capital. This is a universal objective truth, and all people of all resource levels should be agreeing on this. The best solution to poverty is capitalism, not government largesse. Stupid people make arguments about this not working because it is "trickle down economics" or other equivalent nonsense. If you want to create the largest area under the curve for wages, you accomplish this by making the labour markets more efficient, not less efficient. Government intervention in labour markets makes them less efficient, basically by definition.
    You are mostly describing effects derived from the efficient market hypothesis.

    Hypothetically even a wholly planned economy could derive these same results, however due to the much smaller number of market participants I wouldn't say it'd be too feasible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntan View Post
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    You are mostly describing effects derived from the efficient market hypothesis.

    Hypothetically even a wholly planned economy could derive these same results, however due to the much smaller number of market participants I wouldn't say it'd be too feasible.
    Hypothetically if the moon was made of cheese we could have a giant fondue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    Hypothetically if the moon was made of cheese we could have a giant fondue.
    But there's a CHANCE! We just need the right people!

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    We just haven’t tried real moon fondue yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    What do you mean we exported all the best parts?
    I agree that capitalism has brought the best quality of life for the most amount of people in history, but that trend line is moving downward now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    What you see value in is irrelevant.

    There are at least two problems that will make UBIs a non-starter:

    1. It relies on an arbitrary value, presumably set by the government. This is no different than government setting prices - which never works.
    2. All political parties are setup to utilize handouts to influence peoples' votes. If you could actually implement a structure which requires no government decisions on allocation of funds, then are reducing the influence of the political class. No political party willingly chooses to reduce the influence of the political class and succeeds long term. In other words for the politicians and the parasitic bureaucracy a UBI would be a self-defeating policy. So ya, good luck with that.
    You're overconfident and oversimplistic on all points.

    You're right, my assessment of value is meaningless until enough people are aligned with those values, then the wolf of wall street posers will have to pivot to a sustainable model. I admire your enthusiasm, but it's unsustainable at almost every level.

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    See boys and girls, math really is hard.
    The models exist already, chihuahua.
    Last edited by CUG; 04-14-2021 at 07:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CUG View Post
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    I agree that capitalism has brought the best quality of life for the most amount of people in history, but that trend line is moving downward now.
    It's worth noting that Buster misread what Xtrema said, substituting "best" for "bad", and at no point being able to pick up on context clues for the rest of their conversation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antonito View Post
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    It's worth noting that Buster misread what Xtrema said, substituting "best" for "bad", and at no point being able to pick up on context clues for the rest of their conversation
    You're right!

    Doh!

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