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    Quote Originally Posted by CUG View Post
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    I have a really unintelligent aunt who thinks "this is all communism". In reality it's the acceleration of capitalism:

    1.) Well-resourced people are not struggling really at all, other than their "mental health" issues around not being able to as easily visit Mykonos and party at Coachella
    2.) The principle of scarcity is predictably offering its outcome (shortages of XYZ, increasing costs of XYZ; see lumber, RVs, food, etc)
    3.) Less-resourced people are in a severe all around depression
    4.) Record profits for well-positioned corporations/businesses
    5.) The fall of smaller less-resourced businesses
    6.) Predictably, when the government provided coverage for those less-resourced people, the angry lower-middle-class screamed about communism because poor people apparently shouldn't be able to eat or have shelter.

    Personally, this situation has walked a few of the remaining conservative values I had out the door. I cannot identify with people who have zero empathy for others in such a loud manner, in order to, in essence, defend billionaires.

    Great reset? You're seeing the system play out in its natural manner. To suggest this was a massive conspiracy is, as a metaphor, to expose your underwhelming and defective genitals to the internet. (not OP specifically)

    1. Well resourced people aren't struggling because they are well resourced. That's the point of being well-resourced.
    2. Scarcity increasing prices is a positive signal of markets functioning as they should. Higher prices means new entrants and a reduction in prices.
    3. Move from being less resourced to more resourced. See #2
    4. Well positioned firms should make profits, record or no record. If they are well positioned because of gov't activity and influence, then that is not capitalism.
    5. creative destruction is a positive outcome of capitalism
    6. governments are a poor allocator of capital. This is a universal objective truth, and all people of all resource levels should be agreeing on this. The best solution to poverty is capitalism, not government largesse. Stupid people make arguments about this not working because it is "trickle down economics" or other equivalent nonsense. If you want to create the largest area under the curve for wages, you accomplish this by making the labour markets more efficient, not less efficient. Government intervention in labour markets makes them less efficient, basically by definition.

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    It was blind luck and a lot of lobbying that convinced govts to shut down mom and pop stores that get 1-2 people inside them at any given time and to keep Costco open where there's still a zillion people inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    1. Well resourced people aren't struggling because they are well resourced. That's the point of being well-resourced.
    2. Scarcity increasing prices is a positive signal of markets functioning as they should. Higher prices means new entrants and a reduction in prices.
    3. Move from being less resourced to more resourced. See #2
    4. Well positioned firms should make profits, record or no record. If they are well positioned because of gov't activity and influence, then that is not capitalism.
    5. creative destruction is a positive outcome of capitalism
    6. governments are a poor allocator of capital. This is a universal objective truth, and all people of all resource levels should be agreeing on this. The best solution to poverty is capitalism, not government largesse. Stupid people make arguments about this not working because it is "trickle down economics" or other equivalent nonsense. If you want to create the largest area under the curve for wages, you accomplish this by making the labour markets more efficient, not less efficient. Government intervention in labour markets makes them less efficient, basically by definition.
    1.) No way...
    2.) Oh neat, the green line is going up; even seasoned finance hardos know the efficient/rational market hypothesis is bullshit, but go off.
    3.) Sorry, I don't speak boomer.
    4.) Why consider information that clearly highlights contributions to a shrinking middle class, wealth hoarding, less opportunity, and poverty if you don't have to?
    5.) This might be offensive, but you're never going to be a billionaire. Your head is not safe from that same guillotine.
    6.) I would imagine the person who lost their job, couldn't pay rent and feed themselves/family at the same time would disagree with you.

    I used to admire people with ruthless attitudes towards others as it related to social welfare, but now I recognize the insecurity and how they'll do gymnastics to defend the elite while being closer to homelessness and poverty than they'll ever be, while under the false assumption that everyone has the same access to the same opportunities.

    Because of that, I fully support a well-structured UBI. Ancillary benefits of that is watching boom-flakes lose their shit, while supporting corporate welfare the whole time.

    Originally posted by teamPRO


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    If there was anything resembling scarcity in labour (skilled or otherwise), no one (willing to work, fuck those who aren’t) would even care about UBI.

    Current, and historical, unemployment rates suggest people generally aren’t worth anywhere near what they think they are as it is. And government intervention in labour markets have exacerbated this problem, ironically (and predictably) things like minimum wage bumps have artificially increased the desirability of UBI.

    UBI is simply a socialist rejection of capitalism by those who would prefer to take from others what they aren unwilling to earn for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CUG View Post
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    1.) No way...
    2.) Oh neat, the green line is going up; even seasoned finance hardos know the efficient/rational market hypothesis is bullshit, but go off.
    3.) Sorry, I don't speak boomer.
    4.) Why consider information that clearly highlights contributions to a shrinking middle class, wealth hoarding, less opportunity, and poverty if you don't have to?
    5.) This might be offensive, but you're never going to be a billionaire. Your head is not safe from that same guillotine.
    6.) I would imagine the person who lost their job, couldn't pay rent and feed themselves/family at the same time would disagree with you.

    I used to admire people with ruthless attitudes towards others as it related to social welfare, but now I recognize the insecurity and how they'll do gymnastics to defend the elite while being closer to homelessness and poverty than they'll ever be, while under the false assumption that everyone has the same access to the same opportunities.

    Because of that, I fully support a well-structured UBI. Ancillary benefits of that is watching boom-flakes lose their shit, while supporting corporate welfare the whole time.
    The point I was trying to make was that you use the word "capitalism" as if you know what it means. But you don't.

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    Unions are the lovechild of capitalism and little government oversight. If capitalism worked the way it should, there never would have been a need for them.

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    Unions are just labour cartels intent on setting up barriers to market forces. For capitalism to work as intended they should be outlawed just like every other form of cartel in business by a government who enables market forces to determine value.

    That is the role of government in a free and enterprising society.
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    I'm fine with unions existing. The problem is the legal protections for unions.

    Unions should be allowed to exist, and employers should be allowed to bust them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    If there was anything resembling scarcity in labour (skilled or otherwise), no one (willing to work, fuck those who aren’t) would even care about UBI.

    Current, and historical, unemployment rates suggest people generally aren’t worth anywhere near what they think they are as it is. And government intervention in labour markets have exacerbated this problem, ironically (and predictably) things like minimum wage bumps have artificially increased the desirability of UBI.

    UBI is simply a socialist rejection of capitalism by those who would prefer to take from others what they aren unwilling to earn for themselves.
    Your first point is odd because there is no labor scarcity in Alberta right now, or Canada for that matter.
    Your second point seems to ignore how fast automation is happening, even for people farting in a leather chair at their office.
    You think government intervention has devalued labour, and not private-sector outsourcing of our entire manufacturing structures to countries with cheap labour.

    I wouldn't qualify for UBI and I fully support it over the current welfare systems; utilizing the current budgeted money for the existing welfare programs - and related programs would offer enough funding to cover a UBI, and it models out better than the current allocation. But I understand your not wanting people at the bottom to feel empowered. The big red Soviet Boogeyman® is coming for you.

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    The point I was trying to make was that you use the word "capitalism" as if you know what it means. But you don't.
    I suppose that's one easy way to look at it

    Originally posted by teamPRO


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    Quote Originally Posted by CUG View Post
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    Your first point is odd because there is no labor scarcity in Alberta right now, or Canada for that matter.
    Your second point seems to ignore how fast automation is happening, even for people farting in a leather chair at their office.
    You think government intervention has devalued labour, and not private-sector outsourcing of our entire manufacturing structures to countries with cheap labour.

    I wouldn't qualify for UBI and I fully support it over the current welfare systems; utilizing the current budgeted money for the existing welfare programs - and related programs would offer enough funding to cover a UBI, and it models out better than the current allocation. But I understand your not wanting people at the bottom to feel empowered. The big red Soviet Boogeyman® is coming for you.


    I suppose that's one easy way to look at it
    If you think UBI will (actually can) be implemented, you're just being naïve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Unions are just labour cartels intent on setting up barriers to market forces. For capitalism to work as intended they should be outlawed just like every other form of cartel in business by a government who enables market forces to determine value.

    That is the role of government in a free and enterprising society.
    That's what unions are now, but unions didn't need to exist if employers weren't having their employees arrested and jailed for calling in sick, or if they had safer conditions that weren't literally killing them etc.

    People who think pure capitalism works are just as insane as people who think pure communism work. Both might work if humans weren't inherently greedy assholes.

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    Humans being greedy assholes is exactly, simultaneously, and demonstratively in history why capitalism works, and socialism doesn’t.
    Last edited by killramos; 04-14-2021 at 12:40 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    That's what unions are now, but unions didn't need to exist if employers weren't having their employees arrested and jailed for calling in sick, or if they had safer conditions that weren't literally killing them etc.

    People who think pure capitalism works are just as insane as people who think pure communism work. Both might work if humans weren't inherently greedy assholes.
    No way, a hybrid model couldn't possibly work! Most these folks refuse to identify that their quality of life as it relates to work is largely because of union work back in the day. So long as people making between 65-125k/year think they will eventually be members of the wealthy elite, it will never happen. They can't handle their apparently hard work being devalued like that

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    If you think UBI will (actually can) be implemented, you're just being naïve.
    Yeah, sounds like the same argument being made against electric cars AnD tHe InFrAsTrUcTuRe NoT sUpPoRtInG it. I see extreme value in my tax dollar helping someone eat, even if they're not as motivated to climb ladders as you or I might be. Oh shit, they bought beer and cigarettes to try and carve out some comfort for themselves on the weekend - even better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Humans being greedy assholes is exactly, simultaneously, and demonstratively in history why capitalism works, and socialism doesn’t.
    Being greedy is what makes capitalism work, being an asshole and treating your workers like subhumans is what makes it not work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CUG View Post
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    Yeah, sounds like the same argument being made against electric cars AnD tHe InFrAsTrUcTuRe NoT sUpPoRtInG it. I see extreme value in my tax dollar helping someone eat, even if they're not as motivated to climb ladders as you or I might be. Oh shit, they bought beer and cigarettes to try and carve out some comfort for themselves on the weekend - even better.
    What you see value in is irrelevant.

    There are at least two problems that will make UBIs a non-starter:

    1. It relies on an arbitrary value, presumably set by the government. This is no different than government setting prices - which never works.
    2. All political parties are setup to utilize handouts to influence peoples' votes. If you could actually implement a structure which requires no government decisions on allocation of funds, then are reducing the influence of the political class. No political party willingly chooses to reduce the influence of the political class and succeeds long term. In other words for the politicians and the parasitic bureaucracy a UBI would be a self-defeating policy. So ya, good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    If you think UBI will (actually can) be implemented, you're just being naïve.
    If you think the current gov't is above doing it anyway, regardless of the downstream cost/effect, you're also being a tad naive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    Being greedy is what makes capitalism work, being an asshole and treating your workers like subhumans is what makes it not work.
    Sorry. So socialism is the solution to workers being treated as subhuman or being people being assholes? History suggests otherwise in a big way.

    Or is the logic that by mashing 2 systems of assholes together we solve the problems of each?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CUG View Post
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    Yeah, sounds like the same argument being made against electric cars AnD tHe InFrAsTrUcTuRe NoT sUpPoRtInG it. I see extreme value in my tax dollar helping someone eat, even if they're not as motivated to climb ladders as you or I might be. Oh shit, they bought beer and cigarettes to try and carve out some comfort for themselves on the weekend - even better.
    See boys and girls, math really is hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    Being greedy is what makes capitalism work, being an asshole and treating your workers like subhumans is what makes it not work.
    Part B there is every socialist country..........ever?
    Originally posted by SJW
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE View Post
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    If you think the current gov't is above doing it anyway, regardless of the downstream cost/effect, you're also being a tad naive.
    There are going to implement something. They might even call it a UBI. But it will just be another layer of welfare with the retention of the existing welfare system. Which is the worst of all worlds.

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