Who is getting the COVID-19 Vaccine?

[Kg810]

Who needs vaccines anymore? Bring on the DARPA microchip baby!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/last-pa...es-2021-04-11/

[Xtrema]

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6 cases out of 6 million doses.. this is what deniers focus on not the half million dead

It's illogical but just like lottery, everyone thinks they are the one.

[adam c]

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It's illogical but just like lottery, everyone thinks they are the one.

But they rather take the chance with Covid where the death rate is what 2% vs 0.0001% with J&J

[FraserB]

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But they rather take the chance with Covid where the death rate is what 2% vs 0.0001% with J&J

For that comparison to be true, you need to be assuming that it’s a guarantee that someone get covid. Otherwise, you need to look at the chance of getting covid and then the chance of death for the specific age group you’re in.

[ExtraSlow]

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For that comparison to be true, you need to be assuming that it’s a guarantee that someone get covid. Otherwise, you need to look at the chance of getting covid and then the chance of death for the specific age group you’re in.

I think you don't need to do the math on this to know which number is larger.

[killramos]

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I think you don't need to do the math on this to know which number is larger.

I don’t think the “math” is nearly as obvious as you make it out. In AB for example, death is 19/60000 for ages 20-40, .03% death rate. However the while the numerator is reasonably accurate, I would say the denominator is fairly unknown due to asymptomatic cases and heavily skewed to be low. Probably not off by more than an order of magnitude though, so death rate is 0.003% at best (lowest). Then what? 1/10 chance of catching the disease here (gets a bit murky with the previous assumption double counting, but whatever)? Gets a fair bit closer.

Still points to AZ being no measurably higher risk than covid, which when you factor in the societal benefit of you being vaccinated on eradicating the disease, you take the vaccine damn near every time. If you are higher risk in any way, AZ is a slam dunk mathematically. But I do take offence to calling the covid death rate 2%, which is basically an intentionally dishonest claim.

I hate that I contributed to the marth *sigh*

[ExtraSlow]

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I hate that I contributed to the marth *sigh*

[Buster]

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I don’t think the “math” is nearly as obvious as you make it out. In AB for example, death is 19/60000 for ages 20-40, .03% death rate. However the while the numerator is reasonably accurate, I would say the denominator is fairly unknown due to asymptomatic cases and heavily skewed to be low. Probably not off by more than an order of magnitude though, so death rate is 0.003% at best (lowest). Then what? 1/10 chance of catching the disease here (gets a bit murky with the previous assumption double counting, but whatever)? Gets a fair bit closer.

Still points to AZ being no measurably higher risk than covid, which when you factor in the societal benefit of you being vaccinated on eradicating the disease, you take the vaccine damn near every time. If you are higher risk in any way, AZ is a slam dunk mathematically. But I do take offence to calling the covid death rate 2%, which is basically an intentionally dishonest claim.

I hate that I contributed to the marth *sigh*

best estimates i have seen have the prevalence at about 4x to 5x the reported.

Covid is a particularly shitty disease, but its danger is in its transmissibility, which engages the law of large numbers.

[pheoxs]

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I don’t think the “math” is nearly as obvious as you make it out. In AB for example, death is 19/60000 for ages 20-40, .03% death rate. However the while the numerator is reasonably accurate, I would say the denominator is fairly unknown due to asymptomatic cases and heavily skewed to be low. Probably not off by more than an order of magnitude though, so death rate is 0.003% at best (lowest). Then what? 1/10 chance of catching the disease here (gets a bit murky with the previous assumption double counting, but whatever)? Gets a fair bit closer.

Still points to AZ being no measurably higher risk than covid, which when you factor in the societal benefit of you being vaccinated on eradicating the disease, you take the vaccine damn near every time. If you are higher risk in any way, AZ is a slam dunk mathematically. But I do take offence to calling the covid death rate 2%, which is basically an intentionally dishonest claim.

I hate that I contributed to the marth *sigh*

UK has reported 7 clot-related deaths (a week ago, can't find newer number) out of 18.1 million doses. So adjusted for Alberta's 4.3 million people that would mean 3 deaths across our entire province if every single person took the AZ vaccine twice. People can argue asymptomatic unknowns all they want but it really doesn't matter because ~3 deaths in all of Alberta is less than covid claimed even within the 20-29 range alone.

[ThePenIsMightier]

I cannot believe the vaccine is not killing way way way more people. We've given it to people >90 who were also sick and when you factor in how common a reaction of "flu-like symptoms" are in regular vaccines, you'd think this would be burying so many elderly or sick people that they'd rather take their chances with CoVid.
How are they living through the normal reactions many people have to vaccines?

These death rates are so so low!

[adam c]

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For that comparison to be true, you need to be assuming that it’s a guarantee that someone get covid. Otherwise, you need to look at the chance of getting covid and then the chance of death for the specific age group you’re in.

You also have to assume the person would get the AZ or J&J vaccines which they don't need to, however the math is what it is, if you get either or, that's approximately your chance

[duaner]

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I don’t think the “math” is nearly as obvious as you make it out. In AB for example, death is 19/60000 for ages 20-40, .03% death rate. However the while the numerator is reasonably accurate, I would say the denominator is fairly unknown due to asymptomatic cases and heavily skewed to be low. Probably not off by more than an order of magnitude though, so death rate is 0.003% at best (lowest). Then what? 1/10 chance of catching the disease here (gets a bit murky with the previous assumption double counting, but whatever)? Gets a fair bit closer.

Still points to AZ being no measurably higher risk than covid, which when you factor in the societal benefit of you being vaccinated on eradicating the disease, you take the vaccine damn near every time. If you are higher risk in any way, AZ is a slam dunk mathematically. But I do take offence to calling the covid death rate 2%, which is basically an intentionally dishonest claim.

I hate that I contributed to the marth *sigh*

Don't forget to factor in all the false positives . . . and negatives.

I have a cousin who will not stop arguing to the "only 0.04% die from COVID," yet also posts videos about how there are so many false positives.... I hate having to point out the obvious.

[duaner]

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https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-clot-concerns

And J&J is out.

'"All six cases occurred among women between the ages of 18 and 48, and symptoms occurred 6 to 13 days after vaccination."'

It's all a part of the patriarchal hegemony.

[killramos]

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Don't forget to factor in all the false positives . . . and negatives.

I have a cousin who will not stop arguing to the "only 0.04% die from COVID," yet also posts videos about how there are so many false positives.... I hate having to point out the obvious.

Sounds like something that comes out in the wash to me

970k doses as of yesterday, that’s a big jump.

[Kloubek]

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Covid is a particularly shitty disease, but its danger is in its transmissibility, which engages the law of large numbers.

Wow, there actually is a "Law of Large Numbers". Did some guy not want to take credit or something, cuz that's a shitty ass name for a law.

Anyway, you're exactly correct, of course. We're starting to see some real pushback against the restrictions and the numbers are steadily climbing. The only reason we've kept deaths relatively low is because people have been generally good about not spreading it - but it can get out of control pretty quickly which makes all previous math pretty irrelevant. Plus, naturally, the longer we keep restricted the more businesses that are going to go under and the more the government is going to have to bail out unemployed bums such as myself. We can't stay like this, and at some point are going to have to put livelihood over lives.

All indications are that the dangers of these vaccines are very, very low. I'd like to see the research continue as to confirm those findings so that the future public get the best vaccine possible. But even if we're stuck (literally) with the "dangerous" ones, I think even if it was a 50/50 tradeoff it would be worth it in order to limit spread.

[ExtraSlow]

I feel like that was just agreeing with me. Everyone agrees with me.

[duaner]

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Sounds like something that comes out in the wash to me

For sure. There is obviously no way to know numbers on either side. I was just being facetious.

[Misterman]

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Seems topical:

Well to keep some perspective, you essentially NEED a car in Canada. So there is some acceptable risks that go along with a need. On the other hand, if you're not in a risk group for Covid, you can basically roll the dice on a vaccine since your likelihood of adverse effects from covid aren't much different than the risk of adverse effects due to the vaccine.

[ExtraSlow]

[killramos]

Justin Trudeau has never admitted being wrong about anything.