Who is getting the COVID-19 Vaccine?

[SKR]

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You reinforce that you don't have an understanding of the subject, especially when there's statistically significant evidence in the link YOU posted

"This study did not find any benefit with the use of ivermectin in the primary outcome i.e. negative RTPCR on day 6 as well as in most of the secondary outcomes, viz. symptom status on day 6, discharge by day 10, admission to ICU and use of invasive ventilation in mild and moderate COVID-19."

Did not find any benefit, is the key there. An actual scientific study didn't find any benefit.

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that shows outcomes with treatment by ivermectin reduced mortality

That wasn't the point of the study. The study concluded that there was no benefit to what they tested, and also there was this interesting piece of data about mortality that might merit further testing. If you want to say that ivermectin reduces mortality, you need to design your test for that.

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in that small, poorly structured trial.

Show me the big, well-structured trials then.

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Did you carefully read it

Yes, especially the part where it said ivermectin made no significant difference over giving the other group absolutely nothing.

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Not to mention we know a lot more now than we did back in January.

So let's see the more recent studies.

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What isn't real science about the links I posted?

This is why people end up getting ragdolled in these discussions. Isolate and test for variables, using double blind placebo studies. Everything else is just speculation.

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Where have I relayed any pseudo science?

I don't know if it's pseudoscience, but none of it actually says anything. That's the problem.

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Based on your reply, it seems that you're the fragile one, which is understandable given the hardship you've experienced.

You haven't actually proved anything though. That's the problem. You're being emotional about it and you get defensive, but you don't actually go find anything that says anything meaningful.

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Finally, using misogyny to try and make your point is ineffective, and just makes you sound incompetent. You can do better.

It's not misogyny. It was actual housewives that spread that vaccines cause autism story around, and it's housewives that believe in salt lamps and essential oils. This looks exactly like that. If I want to plant a garden or get a cookie recipe, that's the group I'll go to. I'm not interested in hearing about innovative medical techniques from someone who has an Etsy shop. What bothers me is that stupid shit like this takes hold, and rather than have everyone moving in one direction to a clear conclusion we end up with time wasters impeding every step towards it.

If you want to start being taken seriously, you need to post actual studies that prove ivermectin is a magic bullet. That's your hypothesis so get after it. My hypothesis that I have no interest in defending is that people are terrified of the word vaccine, as a result from all that autism garbage, and they look for anything to avoid having to take a scary vaccine.

I'm so tired of people acting like Occam's razor isn't a thing.

[16hypen3sp]

Definitely not feeling 100% today after that Moderna jab yesterday evening.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Definitely not feeling 100% today after that Moderna jab yesterday evening.

Having your DP cherry busted can cause soreness.

[Kg810]

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I don't have any knowledge of Ivermectin but you make a very good point here. We're at a point where there's censorship of topics that scientists can not discuss things without a fear of being pretty much blacklisted. Social media was banning talks of Wuhan leak theory, and while nothing has changed, the narrative is that it's a potential viable theory that needs to be investigated. Scientists feared backlash of being Trump supporters for pursuing discussion and now we've lost a year of meaningful investigation. It's toxic, and it's dangerous to let non experts and politicians drive the narrative, and now placing mistrust in scientific experts because of it.

Unless you're an expert, discounting discussions of Ivermectin because everyone says you're a nut for discussing it as popular opinion means you're part of the group think. Just because Ivermectin is used for something else, doesn't mean it could not have other uses. Hell Viagra was designed as heart medication. I have no expertise with Ivermectin, but I'd like to learn more.

This x 1000.

I'm late to the last few pages, but everyone jumping down the guy bringing up Ivermectin is classic behaviour of people so utterly desperate to ensure they show others they are not anti-vaxxers. You see it everywhere online and IRL. You can't discuss anything anymore without being labelled or put in a group/category of people, it's pretty pathetic.

[Tik-Tok]

When you come out claiming a "miracle magic bullet", then, yeah.

The preliminary tests on Ivermectin were very promising. It does indeed help as a prophylactic against Covid, but only in-vitro. In actual humans, the required dose is 50-100 times the current recommended one for the other ailments. So the dose they are currently giving is literally a placebo.

That's why more studies are starting, to see if it is viable. This is all readily available information from last year, but since it's not on the FLCCCCCCC website, born2ignorescience isn't acknowledging it.

[born2workoncars]

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When you come out claiming a "miracle magic bullet", then, yeah.

The preliminary tests on Ivermectin were very promising. It does indeed help as a prophylactic against Covid, but only in-vitro. In actual humans, the required dose is 50-100 times the current recommended one for the other ailments. So the dose they are currently giving is literally a placebo. This is all readily available information from last year, but since it's not on the FLCCCCCCC website, born2ignorescience isn't acknowledging it.

Again, you're wrong. The protocol for dosing in COVID is in-line with dosing for other Ivermectin applications - 0.2mg/kg. Not sure why you keep regurgitating that?

Also, childish insults don't help make your point, and only detract from your credibility. I know you work on airplanes, so you must possess a reasonable level of intelligence (but remember, buster says leave the smart things to smart people, if you're working on machines then you're not smart according to him).

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The FLCCC (Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance) is a group of doctors with decades of experience, a diverse background of specialties and front line experience battling COVID. If you're trying to discredit the group and their data/analysis, you'll have to do better than intentionally misspelling the acronym.

[xrayvsn]

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got my second jab on monday, i believe my lymph nodes are swollen under my left arm now. i looked it up and it looks to be a sign of fighting off a viral infections and is a symptom of the vaccine.
also have strep throat running through my house 3 of 5 have it, me and daughter are the lucky 2 that don't have it yet or have already beat it as we were both negative.

The swollen lymph nodes are more common on the second dose of the mRNA vaccines. I am seeing a few patients coming in for ultrasound of the axillae or above their collarbone with the reactive nodes on the same side after their dose. They should go away by 6 weeks post vaccine.

I have been reminding the patients I vaccinate at Telus that this can happen and the expected time course.

[JRSC00LUDE]

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This x 1000.

I'm late to the last few pages, but everyone jumping down the guy bringing up Ivermectin is classic behaviour of people so utterly desperate to ensure they show others they are not anti-vaxxers. You see it everywhere online and IRL. You can't discuss anything anymore without being labelled or put in a group/category of people, it's pretty pathetic.

Our idiot Government just passed their bill to further do exactly that, censor what is legal to post on the fucking internet according to their standards. I'd call them Fascists (minus the nationalism) but then I'll get labelled too hahaha but seriously, if anyone CAN'T see the blatant control and censoring of information that goes on they're being willfully blind.

[KRyn]

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[suntan]

Just take what you can get. They don't do any checks, so just show up day of and get in line. They do ask what time your appointment is, just lie and say whatever time you got there with 15 mins added.

[mr2mike]

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What time did you go to the TCC and how busy was it? I have heard if you go at the wrong time it can be a gong show.

Both times I went over lunch. Noon appointment.
First one was 1.5hrs round trip.
Second was 45min.
Both times, my employer was satisfied.

[Mitsu3000gt]

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What time did you go to the TCC and how busy was it? I have heard if you go at the wrong time it can be a gong show.

I went at 1:30pm and it took 1 hour for the full process including the 15min they ask you to wait at the end. It's a pretty massive operation so the line moves really fast.

[FraserB]

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What time did you go to the TCC and how busy was it? I have heard if you go at the wrong time it can be a gong show.

Completely unscientific, but it took 10 minutes between arriving and leaving when I did mine yesterday at 3 (skipped the 15 minute wait at the end). The nurse said I had just missed the rush

[themack89]

In response to the discussion between SKR and born2work: be careful about using any pre-prints as credible sources. Many of the papers that end up in the arxiv databases (pronounced 'archive' if you didn't know!) end up never being published, despite facing some level of moderation and scrutiny prior to being posted.

I think one thing that is largely missing in the scientific community is something beyond peer review, but more like data auditing. Even journals as prolific as Nature have ended up retracting publications because of falsified data among other things.

The sad truth is it's just really hard to know.

[rage2]

Oxford University is starting a study on it as of yesterday, because it's been in the news so often, so it'll be interesting when results come out. They've already debunked several wonder drugs as ineffective.

[D'z Nutz]

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What time did you go to the TCC and how busy was it? I have heard if you go at the wrong time it can be a gong show.

For both shots, I booked the 9:00 and 9:15 AM spots. First one I was in and out in 45 minutes including the 15 minute wait but that was the first day they were taking walk-ins at the TCC so things were a little chaotic cause it was a free for all. The second one I showed up like 8:45 and I was out before my actual appointment time.

[Xtrema]

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The sad truth is it's just really hard to know.

I think the Indian recent wave experience may worth have another look on it and I assume that's why Oxford onboarded it as part of PRINCPLE trial which is the "Gold Standard".

Take ivermectin. One recent study in the US showed that yes, it does reduce the progression from mild to moderate, but that's one study. There are many other studies which have shown that it doesn't really have much of a benefit. But there are 40 trials going on so we really don't know.

Personally, I think we lack a sure fire toolkit on therapeutics. Any more weapons for that fight is needed as so many people are still unvaccinated. But Brazil and India is just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Hard to get reliable data out of that.

[suntan]

Antivirals in general are few and far between due to how viruses work.

[rage2]

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I think the Indian recent wave experience may worth have another look on it and I assume that's why Oxford onboarded it as part of PRINCPLE trial which is the "Gold Standard".

You're prob right. Ivermectin is (was) cheap there, and was used extensively in some areas where things improved quickly. So def worth a look.

[Tik-Tok]

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Again, you're wrong. The protocol for dosing in COVID is in-line with dosing for other Ivermectin applications - 0.2mg/kg. Not sure why you keep regurgitating that?

I've read 3 if the early studies, and a dozen reports on those studies and they say the same thing. The standard dose of ivermectin had no noticable difference between it and the "control" groups (term used loosely because all of these studies were field work, with no overseeing).

In vitro injection showed promise in blocking Covid infection, but the dose required proportionally related to an adult human size is more than 50 times the 200uμ/kg.

Read the actual studies instead of the FLCCC, which I mock the name of because it's ridiculous.