Who is getting the COVID-19 Vaccine?

[Xtrema]

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Yep, businesses are free to mandate whatever rules they want subject to not violating its employees rights. Government can get the fuck out of determining business needs and let business figure it out.

But they are figuring it out and people still losing their shit.

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https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7034e4_w

What you quoted isn't in this link. Nothing in the CDC doc is referencing anything about UK which is predominantly on a difference vax than we are.

[zechs]

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But they are figuring it out and people still losing their shit.

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I don't think they are. A company I know sent out an email point blank stating if you don't get double vaxx AND you get covid, no sick days or paid sick leave.

But if you DO get double vaxx and still get sick, you do.

Straight up discrimination, I can't possibly see how that stands up in court. Oh you're gay and got the aids? No benefits for you!

See how well that works out.

[colinxx235]

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I don't think they are. A company I know sent out an email point blank stating if you don't get double vaxx AND you get covid, no sick days or paid sick leave.

But if you DO get double vaxx and still get sick, you do.

Straight up discrimination, I can't possibly see how that stands up in court. Oh you're gay and got the aids? No benefits for you!

See how well that works out.

You sure sound a little butthurt by that

[Tik-Tok]

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The government's purpose is to enforce our rights. Your statements are not equivalent in any way.

If there is one area I do support government oversight, it is in enforcing our basic human rights. Thats about the only area it is needed in our lives, and even then, at the barest of minimums.

You mean like the right to work in a healthy and safe environment?

[Xtrema]

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I don't think they are. A company I know sent out an email point blank stating if you don't get double vaxx AND you get covid, no sick days or paid sick leave.

But if you DO get double vaxx and still get sick, you do.

Straight up discrimination, I can't possibly see how that stands up in court. Oh you're gay and got the aids? No benefits for you!

See how well that works out.

I think Delta's way of handling it is the best. Increase insurance premium on the unvax'd employees. So the choice is more monetary.

And don't kid here, eventually unvaxx'd will be handled like smoking because of high claims.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/anti-v...ry?id=79289445

[born2workoncars]

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But they are figuring it out and people still losing their shit.

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What you quoted isn't in this link. Nothing in the CDC doc is referencing anything about UK which is predominantly on a difference vax than we are.

Yikes! too many open tabs.

Edited and updated that post:

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_20.pdf

[Xtrema]

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Yikes! too many open tabs.

Edited and updated that post:

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_20.pdf

Yeah, again, not surprised. Their data matches experience of SE Asia. Which is why all of them are ditching ADV Sino* vaccine and getting onboard the mRNA train.

Which is also why China has to continue the 0 tolerance policy and fast tracking protein subunit vaccine. Because buying mRNA vax = admitting China isn't #1. (And the fact that they are having capital issues and last thing you need paying for 5B doses of mRNA vax)


Singapore is smart, they let the country to be 70% double dose on mRNA before approving Sinovac just to keep the Chinese happy. Nobody want that shit.

[Buster]

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Yeah, again, not surprised. Their data matches experience of SE Asia. Which is why all of them are ditching ADV Sino* vaccine and getting onboard the mRNA train.

Which is also why China has to continue the 0 tolerance policy and fast tracking protein subunit vaccine. Because buying mRNA vax = admitting China isn't #1. (And the fact that they are having capital issues and last thing you need paying for 5B doses of mRNA vax)


Singapore is smart, they let the country to be 70% double dose on mRNA before approving Sinovac just to keep the Chinese happy. Nobody want that shit.

Look man, if you can't cherry pick data, what do we have left?

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

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You mean like the right to work in a healthy and safe environment?

This is a right I'd like to be enforced, yes. Like the govt telling people they can only smoke in certain areas.

[JRSC00LUDE]

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But they are figuring it out and people still losing their shit.

Admittedly I could be glossing over on one of the bigger sticking points for me here but since WHEN are private healthcare records no longer private and open to your employers perusal at their whim?

I'm certainly capable of changing perspectives—it happens all the time—but creating a precedent for open season on health/lifestyle because your personal choices might affect the Company's productivity is not something I want any part of. What makes it an acceptable precedent to allow? The whole "it's just a one time thing for a vaccine" is complete and utter horseshit and you know it. Call it whataboutism all you want but careful what you wish for all the same.

[Buster]

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Admittedly I could be glossing over on one of the bigger sticking points for me here but since WHEN are private healthcare records no longer private and open to your employers perusal at their whim?

I'm certainly capable of changing perspectives—it happens all the time—but creating a precedent for open season on health/lifestyle because your personal choices might affect the Company's productivity is not something I want any part of. What makes it an acceptable precedent to allow? The whole "it's just a one time thing for a vaccine" is complete and utter horseshit and you know it. Call it whataboutism all you want but careful what you wish for all the same.

I don't think your private records are open to anyone. Nobody is forcing you to work at a specific location.

[JRSC00LUDE]

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Nobody is forcing you to work at a specific location.

Well they are though, if you're already employed there. "Do this or you're fired" over health and wellness can quickly go down a path. Especially with Gov't backing. I like to think I'm no idiot, and you clearly know I'm not against vaccinations, but do people honestly trust both Gov't and Corporations to not use this as precedent?

[dirtsniffer]

well we are still paying income tax

[JRSC00LUDE]

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well we are still paying income tax

It's just temporary, like the GST.

[killramos]

I’m guessing “fired because you didn’t get vaccinated” doesn’t count as cause?

[msommers]

"The employee failed to comply with company policy"

[killramos]

You can’t just make up policies to get rid of people without paying severance.

[Xtrema]

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Admittedly I could be glossing over on one of the bigger sticking points for me here but since WHEN are private healthcare records no longer private and open to your employers perusal at their whim?

I'm certainly capable of changing perspectives—it happens all the time—but creating a precedent for open season on health/lifestyle because your personal choices might affect the Company's productivity is not something I want any part of. What makes it an acceptable precedent to allow? The whole "it's just a one time thing for a vaccine" is complete and utter horseshit and you know it. Call it whataboutism all you want but careful what you wish for all the same.

I totally understand we are working toward the world Gattaca and many sci-fi movies warned us about. And we are slowly creating 2 class of people.

since WHEN are private healthcare records no longer private and open to your employers perusal at their whim?

Since this whole damn thing started:

The collection of your personal health and travel information
Because COVID-19 constitutes a workplace hazard under the Canada Labour Code your employer can lawfully request that you provide information regarding COVID-19, to the extent that it directly relates to ensuring the health and safety of employees in the workplace.

Based on these requirements and advice from the Public Health Agency of Canada, the employer can request the following information:

If you are exhibiting symptoms of COVID-19 in the workplace (so that you can be asked to go home to self-isolate).
If you are undergoing COVID-19 testing and the result of that testing, and if you were present in the workplace while potentially infected.
If you were in close contact with someone diagnosed with COVID-19, as it is recommended that such a person would have to self-isolate (and therefore take leave and/or telework).
If you have travelled internationally in the last 14 days.
Finally, your employer may follow up with you to ensure a return to work when it is safe to do so.

[Buster]

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You can’t just make up policies to get rid of people without paying severance.

You can if it's a new health and safety issue

[Xtrema]

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You can’t just make up policies to get rid of people without paying severance.

https://www.cp24.com/news/uhn-says-e...ired-1.5555663

“Those individuals who refuse to abide by those rules can be terminated, but they do have a right to severance,” he said.

According to random employment lawyer.



Also rapid testing kits are free if employers want to set up such program:
https://www.alberta.ca/rapid-testing-program.aspx

There is many way to skin this cat. It all depends on demographic of your staff.