Who is getting the COVID-19 Vaccine?

[born2workoncars]

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One problem with ivermectin. You still get Covid before it's effective.

Incorrect? It works as a prophylactic by interrupting the replication of the virus and as a treatment after infection, although efficacy is reduced the longer you are infected before treatment.

Ultimately, I hesitated to bring this up because I knew there would be a chorus of ad-hominem attacks - It's a relatively recent phenomenon where we are so strongly grouped by opinion that it becomes near impossible to discuss ideas that aren't an accepted part of the group think. You can consider this a litmus test for the beyond.ca community.

I'm not attacking anyone, nor bringing up any political angle to this. All I'm discussing is the overwhelming evidence and growing body of medical professionals who believe Ivermectin is a solution to the pandemic.

I'd also like to discuss the blatant censorship of these discussions on social media, but maybe that's a topic that deserves its own thread. Rarely is censorship ever a healthy or democratic tool.

[flipstah]

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You could treat covid with Vagina eggs for all I care.

[killramos]

People laughing at you isn’t censorship

[Mitsu3000gt]

The fact that you think social media is actively trying to hide the "magic bullet" COVID cure lets people know right off the bat you aren't interested in any kind of serious discussion. What other cures are Zuckerberg hiding?

[born2workoncars]

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People laughing at you isn’t censorship

Evidence based discussions helps bolster arguments. Here's mine:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtube...te-11612288061


Pretty clear that YouTube and Twitter are censoring discussions - despite the fact that these discussions come from qualified medical experts.

https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein?re...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

I get that it's uncomfortable to consider ideas that are incongruent with your pattern of thinking, but I'm genuinely interested to hear counter-arguments instead of simply attacking.

[born2workoncars]

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The fact that you think social media is actively trying to hide the "magic bullet" COVID cure lets people know right off the bat you aren't interested in any kind of serious discussion. What other cures are Zuckerberg hiding?

OK - is your argument that YouTube, Twitter and Facebook are not censoring discussions about these repurposed drugs?

[killramos]

I agree with you. Treating a viral infection with tick medication sounds like a great idea.

You should totally do that.

[Mitsu3000gt]

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OK - is your argument that YouTube, Twitter and Facebook are not censoring discussions about these repurposed drugs?

No, it's that you obviously don't understand the reason why those outlets are asking people not to promote those 'cures', and that you believe it's actually a magic bullet. That kind of thinking is exactly why places like Youtube have those guidelines - it's dangerous to people who may believe them without consulting proper sources first, or for people who may avoid actual vaccines as a result.

[born2workoncars]

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I agree with you. Treating a viral infection with tick medication sounds like a great idea.

You should totally do that.

What's the argument here? You don't believe there could be an existing drug that is effective against COVID? Or you're just waiting for CBC to tell you it works?

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No, it's that you obviously don't understand the reason why those outlets are asking people not to promote those 'cures', and that you believe it's actually a magic bullet. That kind of thinking is exactly why places like Youtube have those guidelines - it's dangerous to people who may believe them without consulting proper sources first, or for people who may avoid actual vaccines as a result.

So is the FLCCC a bunch of phoney cooks?
https://covid19criticalcare.com/

I'll flip the script on you - it's obvious you don't understand the reason why those outlets are preventing open public discussion regarding COVID therapy. Why is Remdesivir not included on YouTube's list of censorable topics? Afterall, the WHO has recommended against Remdesivir on their website - yet it's used as a frontline treatment in the USA @ $3k per dose.

Censorship has never led to the betterment of society. Is censorship something you support and would promote?

[killramos]

Who’s arguing. I said it’s a great idea. Probably at least twice as effective as vagina crystals.

[ExtraSlow]

Any treatment that can be done at home should be highly prioritized. Keep the hospitals empty baby, because that's what matters.

[bjstare]

Haha this is great.

[Disoblige]

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Looks like Ivermectin will end up being the magic bullet to defeating COVID.

Crazy situation with the censorship from major social media outlets banning users from discussing its efficacy. Bret Weinstein and Dr. Pierre Kory have been doing the lords work getting the word out that Ivermectin needs to be deployed.

I've been following this since Dr. Kory's testimony to the senate back in January. I think we would see a much higher acceptance of Ivermectin vs Vaccines - considering all the safety, data and efficacy of Ivermectin has been proven over the last few decades.

We're starting to see reporting of heart inflammation with vaccines, irregular and excessive bleeding in women from vaccines. Understandably, some people will outright die from receiving the vaccine, but this is an expected result in a widespread campaign. Obviously the vast majority of people appear to be OK after receiving the vaccine, but it's disputable that a vaccine released by way of EUA is 100% safe and fully understood.

So it is probably safe to say you did not get vaccinated, which is fine. I personally don't care too much, really.
Go get some Ivermectin and see what happens? I'm curious to know and it looks like you are the perfect guinea pig to try.

I think there is a lot of unknowns out there, whether it is with current vaccines or other proposed meds. So I'm open to hear all thoughts, as long as it's not stupid.


On a separate note... Boy, can you imagine the field day the anti-vaxxers are going to have when one day 1-2 years later we know 100% sure that the vaccines cause some health defects and it was better to not take the vaccine?

[Xtrema]

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I'm not attacking anyone, nor bringing up any political angle to this. All I'm discussing is the overwhelming evidence and growing body of medical professionals who believe Ivermectin is a solution to the pandemic.

I'm not discounting it. Let's see if Oxford's PRINCIPLE trial redeems it.

But if Brazil and India is any indication, the effect it may have is overhyped compared the result coming in now for the vaccines.

And given the world will be 30%-50% unvaccinated going forward, having some data behind the drugs is not a bad idea.

[born2workoncars]

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I'm not discounting it. Let's see if Oxford's PRINCIPLE trial redeems it.

But if Brazil and India is any indication, the effect it may have is overhyped compared the result coming in now for the vaccines.

And given the world will be 30%-50% unvaccinated going forward, having some data behind the drugs is not a bad idea.

"Those Indian states that adopted more aggressive Ivermectin policies saw their cases fall far more than 80%, states like Uttar Pradesh - down 98% [37,944 to 596], like Uttarakhand - down 97% [9642 to 287] and Goa - down 90% [4195 to 423]. Delhi saw a 99% drop [28,395 to 238]."

But it was effective in India? Not sure where you're getting info that it wasn't?

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opin...0d864f627.html

Another good example is Africa, where Ivermectin is already widely used to treat other conditions. Scientists were forecasting the continent would be devastated by COVID19. But... they weren't...

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....26.21254377v1

Conclusions The morbidity and mortality in the onchocerciasis endemic countries are lesser than those in the non-endemic ones. The community-directed onchocerciasis treatment with ivermectin is the most reasonable explanation for the decrease in morbidity and fatality rate in Africa. In areas where ivermectin is distributed to and used by the entire population, it leads to a significant reduction in mortality.

Damnit. None of these sources are the Epoch Times, though, lol.

[bjstare]

Care to inform us why the FDA isn't recommending the silver bullet?

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...event-covid-19

[Tik-Tok]

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Care to inform us why the FDA isn't recommending the silver bullet?

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...event-covid-19

Everyone else is in big pharmas pockets. Except the FLCCCC, which wants you to take 50-100 times the regular dosage of a drug to maybe be an effective prophylactic.

[ExtraSlow]

I hear psilocybin could be an effective treatment.

[Buster]

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Incorrect? It works as a prophylactic by interrupting the replication of the virus and as a treatment after infection, although efficacy is reduced the longer you are infected before treatment.

Ultimately, I hesitated to bring this up because I knew there would be a chorus of ad-hominem attacks - It's a relatively recent phenomenon where we are so strongly grouped by opinion that it becomes near impossible to discuss ideas that aren't an accepted part of the group think. You can consider this a litmus test for the beyond.ca community.

I'm not attacking anyone, nor bringing up any political angle to this. All I'm discussing is the overwhelming evidence and growing body of medical professionals who believe Ivermectin is a solution to the pandemic.

I'd also like to discuss the blatant censorship of these discussions on social media, but maybe that's a topic that deserves its own thread. Rarely is censorship ever a healthy or democratic tool.

People that complain about ad hominem attacks are dumb.

[adam c]

You gotta mega dose it though, benefits is neither covid or you will know what hit it