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Outrageous claim is outrageous. Lets see the research that claims this please and thanks.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Couple nurses I know claim that actual effectiveness of the first vaccine shot is only ~30%.
A friend who works at a halfway house has seen people become infected in the past week or so who were first on the list to get the vaccine.
Starting to look like a multi billion dollar boondoggle to line big pharmas pockets.
Asks for research, then provides anecdotal "evidence" from a couple of nurses.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
People at halfway houses are in 2C, if I am not mistaken.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
"Who will be eligible in coming weeks
Residents and support staff at eligible congregate living and work settings at risk for large outbreaks, including: correctional facilities, front-line policing and provincial sheriffs, homeless shelters, meatpacking plants, and group homes for disability, mental health and other types of licensed supportive living."
https://www.alberta.ca/covid19-vaccine.aspx
Not to mention that the vaccine has never been said to prevent Covid, rather that it siginifcantly reduces the severity.
Just Google it, there's tons of links.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Another study, which looked at 77 pairs of individuals in which one person infected the other, found that contagiousness both began and peaked before the first symptoms of illness — 2.3 days and 0.7 days respectively.
https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-upd...son-contagious
Last edited by holden; 04-18-2021 at 10:56 AM.
First off no vaccine is a 100% for anythingThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
But in this case it is 70-80% give or take, a couple weeks after the shot. What ever that means
No one wants the blood clot vaccine ... AZ is lagging in take up rate , they should just open that one up to whoever wants it.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
"77 pairs"This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As is usual, this would never pass the muster as any form of medical research for any other disease or infection. This is such a small sample size as to be utterly useless.
I also liked the "peaked" 0.7 days before symptoms. Somehow so precise, with such little data. All things that nornally raise redflags in research, like hockey stick charts.
Well I have a friend who works at a halfway house that is seeing people infecting other before showing symptoms.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7013e3_wThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
80% protection 14 days after first shot is pretty damn good.Prospective cohorts of 3,950 health care personnel, first responders, and other essential and frontline workers completed weekly SARS-CoV-2 testing for 13 consecutive weeks. Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status; vaccine effectiveness of partial immunization (≥14 days after first dose but before second dose) was 80%
at this point, while still have variant of concern that may impact the data, well vaccinated countries are not repeating Dec peak infection while we are posed to go past Dec for this to be the worse wave yet.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
is there a vaccine to help people not get suckered into responding to @zechs ?
There is, but it only works if you have enough people use it for herd immunity.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
So my wife found this thing online that people in Alberta that take testosterone were eligible for a vaccine so I went into shoppers and asked them if I could be added to their waitlist. Anyway they asked where I got that info I told them I had talked to 811. The pharmacist said well luckily 811 doesn't get to decide who gets a shot we do. It wasn't like there was 100s of people at shoppers getting vaccines everyday - why they gatekeeping their supply so much.
On AHS website:
Immunosuppression
Individuals treated with, or with a condition that will likely need to be treated with,
systemic steroids for more than two weeks at a dose equivalent to prednisolone
at 20mg or more per day for adults.
Both Testosterone Cypionate and Testosterone Enanthate - both of which I have taken are listed as systemic steroids.
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And so I called 811 covid line and the guy said oh I dont know anything about what conditions are listed etc on the AHS website I just book it if you say you are eligible FFS
So I called the nurse at 811 and due to the vague reading of the eligibility list they said they weren't talking about all synthetic steroids just certain ones and I don't qualify boo hoo even if the reason I take it (according to my doctor) is to prevent disease.
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You have 2 options, book on AHS and just click the check box that you are eligible (there is no verification, it’s completely the honour system) or talk to a doctor and see if they agree, then if the pharmacy hassles you just give the name of the doctor.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Can I help you build a bridge to better credibility? While nurses are more or less amazing human beings, they are not infectious disease experts. Ask them for their source information. If it didn't come from Up to Date or BMJ or a place that is directly working on the issue, question it's accuracy and do your diligence.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Your friend at the halfway house isn't credible as it relates to statistical or clinical significance.
The Big Pharma argument is getting really played out, especially in the complete absence of evidence.
Still not eligible grrThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Sig nuked by mod.
I would take the chance. Probably greater chance of being struck by lightning while crashing my car on the way to the appointment than getting a clot.
If you get the clot the chance of death is estimated at 25%
Also mostly affects women and people with a low platelet count.
Last edited by nzwasp; 04-18-2021 at 11:03 PM.
Millennials will be next, don’t you worry.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote