Paying back CERB

[killramos]

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I never applied, nor received, CERB. Should I pay it back?

I am always supportive of voluntary tax payments, good on you good sir!

Unless the voluntary tax payment comes from lotto 6/49

[msommers]

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Yes the fraud is rampant. My accountant has been fielding questions such as:

"I applied for CERB twice and got it twice. Should I pay it back?"
"I'm a student and applied for CERB and got it. Should I pay it back?"
"I have job and applied for CERB and got it. Should I pay it back?"

It's amazing that some people can get their shirt on every day.

I half wonder if people are not actually that stupid but rather seeking permission to continue being a shitty human. "Do I really have to pay it back or is there some wiggle room where I can keep it and buy a new TV?"

[killramos]

I’m pretty sure most people equate the accounting profession with legalized fraud.

Funny, not really wrong.

[mr2mike]

CPP is set to rise for 2021 and "These People" get Tru do'h dollars to spend at packed malls?!

CPP premium rates for all workers are to rise by 3.8 per cent in 2021. The amount of income subject to premiums is also rising by 5.3 per cent. This means for workers earning $60,000 or more, both the employer and employee will see more than a 9 per cent increase in their CPP premiums.

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Yes the fraud is rampant. My accountant has been fielding questions such as:

"I applied for CERB twice and got it twice. Should I pay it back?"
"I'm a student and applied for CERB and got it. Should I pay it back?"
"I have job and applied for CERB and got it. Should I pay it back?"

Those people calling are hoping they don't have to take responsibility for their actions and just get to blame it on an accountant hoping they're morally questionable like Marty Bird.

[Misterman]

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It's amazing that some people can get their shirt on every day.

I half wonder if people are not actually that stupid but rather seeking permission to continue being a shitty human. "Do I really have to pay it back or is there some wiggle room where I can keep it and buy a new TV?"

Look at the government people voted for. Clearly they just have no understanding of how money works, where it comes from, etc. I would swear a lot of these minimum wage earners just think that all the government needs to do to pay for something, is print more money.

[Disoblige]

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I just saw one of the CERB and tax fraudsters I know bragging about an 82” tv today on Facebook.

Was it an 82" RCA TV for $1k?
I saw it today and it looked like the biggest piece of garbage money could buy.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Was it an 82" RCA TV for $1k?
I saw it today and it looked like the biggest piece of garbage money could buy.

RCA is to televisions as Tim Hortons is to coffee.
One is shaped very similarity and offers many of the control features of a television, albeit the picture quality is not one of them.
Another is very hot, brown liquid inspired by coffee as long as you don't mind becoming profusely sweaty and suffering an immediate, mild burst of diarrhea.

[ZenOps]

Didn't see any Vizios. Now using my 55 incher with absolutely no burn in for the last ten years. Seriously impressive given warranties on tech nowadays.

[killramos]

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Was it an 82" RCA TV for $1k?
I saw it today and it looked like the biggest piece of garbage money could buy.

Samsung. Not beyond amazing but reasonable tv.

[suntan]

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Those people calling are hoping they don't have to take responsibility for their actions and just get to blame it on an accountant hoping they're morally questionable like Marty Bird.

Oh absolutely. You don't even want to know how many of the third question she's answered.

[suntan]

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Look at the government people voted for. Clearly they just have no understanding of how money works, where it comes from, etc. I would swear a lot of these minimum wage earners just think that all the government needs to do to pay for something, is print more money.

Check bond issues in your brokerage account. There's an Ontario issuance @ 9.5%. Mmm, mmm good.

[Tik-Tok]

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I am always supportive of voluntary tax payments, good on you good sir!

Lol, there's no voluntary part of us working suckers paying everyone else's CERB and CEBA back. We're all going to be paying it, for a very, very, very long time.

[ZenOps]

At this rate, it might just be worth going to a one world currency and simply forgetting that debt even existed.

[rage2]

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Lol, there's no voluntary part of us working suckers paying everyone else's CERB and CEBA back. We're all going to be paying it, for a very, very, very long time.

The deficit numbers are quite hilarious. People were pissed last year at our spending, with deficit growing from 20b to 55b. We're on track to hit 400b this year. Only $10k of debt for every individual in Canada, NBD lol.

Shit's gonna get creative. Cap gains taxes on primary residences are already being talked about. Now's a good time to be poor haha.

[gmc72]

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Let me qualify by saying I think I don’t think it should have gone out at all for the vast majority of people, but it definitely should never have been about keeping up a lifestyle as much as it was to avoid collapsing an existence.

My point is it should never have gone out if it was not needed, high or low income.

*edit* - Or it should have gone out to everyone automatically if you want to be fair about it, whether it was needed or not. Having this threshold of qualification is absurd, especially when people start making an argument that those who have a higher income deserve it more. Personally I think nobody "deserves" it and in fact most just figured out a way to qualify for it.

I had no choice whether I was on it or not. I was laid off and applied for EI, as one would when laid off. The next thing I knew I was getting CERB until my EI claim was in place. I called and asked why I was getting it, and they said that this is the way it was set up. Didn't ask for it, but I got it. Now because I made 100k and my wife makes close to that, you think I should give it back? And no, it wasn't about keeping up a lifestyle, it was about keeping my home.

[ExtraSlow]

If we want to make high income people ineligible for income supports, we probably have to let them opt out of the premiums.

[max_boost]

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The deficit numbers are quite hilarious. People were pissed last year at our spending, with deficit growing from 20b to 55b. We're on track to hit 400b this year. Only $10k of debt for every individual in Canada, NBD lol.

Shit's gonna get creative. Cap gains taxes on primary residences are already being talked about. Now's a good time to be poor haha.

lol ya man

I wouldn’t be surprised tax increases all across the board

Inheritance tax
Property tax
Gst
Pst
Cap gains
Luxury car baller tax
Carbon tax
Fuel standard tax
Preloaded stimulus cash in bank account tax

It’ll filter out who the real ballers are lol I’m going back to Subaru for my next car cheap cheap haha

[ExtraSlow]

Inheritance tax will almost certainly be coming. Old folks should spend thier money and die broke.

[tirebob]

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I had no choice whether I was on it or not. I was laid off and applied for EI, as one would when laid off. The next thing I knew I was getting CERB until my EI claim was in place. I called and asked why I was getting it, and they said that this is the way it was set up. Didn't ask for it, but I got it. Now because I made 100k and my wife makes close to that, you think I should give it back? And no, it wasn't about keeping up a lifestyle, it was about keeping my home.

I fully acknowledge that it is not everyone who abused it, but there was/is a lot of rampant abuse, and when it is abused by people who don't need need it and they took it anyways because they feel like they were owed or simply didn't want to be left out of the free money train.

I am not calling anyone out here individually. Just pointing out that those who didn't need it but took it are kinda douchey, especially when they call out poor people for not contributing enough with one hand, all the while their other hand is being held out happily grabbing at CERB themselves.

*edit* - I also do acknowledge the clusterfuck this entire thing was as it was being rolled out and that there are people who probably had this thrust upon them rather than a legitimate EI claim. I have no beef with that type of thing. My issue is only with those who chose to find creative ways to take money when they were not entitled to it whether they were poor, middle class or rich.

[Disoblige]

Only thing one can do is throw in all their cash into stonks so the 30% gain can offset the tax increases.