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    Default Wine - expensive vs cheap is there a difference?

    Seems to be quite a bit of snobbery over it and there's plenty of evidence that even sommeliers and "experts" can't distinguish between expensive and cheap stuff in blind taste tests (especially when price is not made available). For the wine drinkers does price make a difference and is there much correlation between price and taste?

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    This should be a good one
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    LoL.
    Yes, there is - without a doubt.

    The thing is, it's not linear and that's the way all luxury items work. A Ferrari might be 20x more money than a Hyundai, but to say "it's 20x better" is kind of dumb.

    Tomassi Amarone is maybe 5x more money than Copper Moon, but watch the debate on whether it's 3x better or 30x better.

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    Part of the problem in Canada is that prices get majorly skewed by tax and duties. Cheap bottles of foreign wine can be very expensive in Canada so two equally priced bottles are not necessarily equally priced in their countries of origin.

    Here in Spain, you can get a very enjoyable bottle of wine for 5 Euros. I've bought wines up to 40 Euros here but honestly, even the best rated ones are not that different from our favourite cheapies.

    Perhaps a good bottle can be 25% better in some cases, but pricier bottles can also taste worse than the cheap bottles. A lot depends on your pallete too - people can have very different impressions of the same wine.

    There have been studies done that show people statistically are unable to pick the more expensive wine when given a blind tasting (I imagine the same test done with people knowing the price would lead to them preferring the more expensive wines due to our behavioural biases).

    Edit: Sumarries of the studies...
    https://www.wired.com/2011/04/should...xpensive-wine/
    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...b-we081417.php
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    That's exactly my point. Paying multiples of the price for a decent wine just doesn't seem worth it yet there's a huge industry dedicated to what amounts to be consumer deception yet it continues. I guess that's what marketing is in a nutshell. People pay hundreds of dollars for a pair of Nikes most of which is going to marketing but at least there's no denial that it's all about vanity. With expensive wine the deception seems to go deeper given that there's an illusion of value.

    I was watching vids on Architectural Digest (all horribly pretentious) of rich dudes showing off their wine cellar/collections of incredibly expensive wines and the idea behind wine that expensive just seemed ridiculous.

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    Would agree it’s hard to put a pure dollar value on this argument as depending on region, taxes, etc the cost can fluctuate.

    An apples to apples comparison of same grapes, region/country more expensive tends to yield a better bottle for sure. Always outliers to this and I guess that’s what keeps wines interesting? The ever evolving search for the perfect balance of cost and taste.

    The high end french market is a whole other animal though... sell god damn wine futures! First growth costs are exponentially higher than anything else, worth it? Well... they seem to appreciate, so to collect, probably... to drink? Doubt it

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    The value of wine has a lot to do with scarcity and yield.

    There is definitely a difference between wines, but I don’t pretend to be a sommelier to know how much fruit and sugar they put in an individual bottle.

    Just try lots of different stuff and figure out what you like. Honestly unless you drink a fair amount of wine there is far more to try than you could ever want.
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    I have a very cheap palate, and I give evidence of that constantly, but yeah, there's a difference in wine that even I can taste. I can do do buy a $10 bottle of wine, and enjoy it, but the $25-45 bottles are noticeably better in most cases. Past that, you'd better be a wine enthusiast to notice the differences, and I admit I cannot.
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    ... but I donít pretend to be a sommelier ...
    Me neither, although I'll try that for Halloween next year. I dressed up like a Somalian this year and that did not go over well!!

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    Me neither, although I'll try that for Halloween next year. I dressed up like a Somalian this year and that did not go over well!!
    Pretending to be a sommelier can similarly backfire in spectacular fashion around here
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    This is where tastings are fun...

    This:

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    Vs:

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    Vs:

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    All very noticeable leaps... events like this make it easier to compare too, this was purely Spain:

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    I had someone complain that I served them gratis box wine from a novelty pumpkin at a party and that I should open a bottle of better stuff for her. She did not byob.

    She didn’t get invited back. Also, wasn’t hot.
    Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

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    There's good wine and there's bad wine of course. Me? I prefer pop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swak View Post
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    I wouldn't consider this an appropriate analogy given the specifications are obviously different. If you could drive a Porsche and a Jetta blindfolded you'd notice the difference in handling, response, sound, materials, etc.

    If I gave you two glasses of wine that I selected at 2x price points 10x, I'd be surprised if you selected the more expensive one more than 6x.

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    This is where tastings are fun...

    All very noticeable leaps... events like this make it easier to compare too, this was purely Spain:
    Which of the 3 did you consider the best?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Rural_Juror View Post
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    There's good wine and there's bad wine of course. Me? I prefer pop.
    Pop can be expensive too, but you can drink all kinds as long as you disrespect your parents.

    Here is a rocket fizz nutmeg Bavarian style root beer.
    https://soda-emporium.com/FRESH-16oz...-P5925250.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidI View Post
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    Which of the 3 did you consider the best?
    I believe this was a team effort, cause my writing isn’t that legible, especially after drinking

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    The pingus and Marques de caceres are tough to compare with that age difference though, something that old is so viscous that the mouthfeel is a real standout... well, for me at least, probably borderline over oxidized for some

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Rural_Juror View Post
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    There's good wine and there's bad wine of course. Me? I prefer pop.
    Exactly...and to be safe for dinner parties, you're best off to bring some Pepsi and Ringdings.

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    James Suckling. I let him choose my wines.

    Watched his master class, decent info. Iím not a taste describer though.

    What I do I buy any of the wines he scores 90+. Youíll find lots in the 92-95 range for mid teens on sale.

    Highlander liquor store in seton is my go to for cheap, high point wines.

    The grape is the most important thing for me. Cab sauv and merlots are my fav.

    I have a 100pt brunello sitting for a special occasion. Iíll tell you then if high price is worth it hahaha.
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