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  • Signal

    20 35.09%
  • Telegram

    4 7.02%
  • WeChat (with Xi Jinping)

    2 3.51%
  • iMessage (screw Android users)

    6 10.53%
  • Viber

    0 0%
  • BBM

    2 3.51%
  • Whatsapp all the way, I <3 Zuckerberg

    20 35.09%
  • Other (FB Messenger, BiP, Zangi, etc)

    3 5.26%
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    Also, I never would have gone away from BBM except they shut it down for android. Frowny Face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabad66 View Post
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    Everyone has a personal anecdote like the coop liquor or goldfish crackers example, but they are likely coincidences. I think it would have come out a long time ago if they were lying about it, and the consequences are massive if they did.

    I’m totally open to changing my mind if there is real proof otherwise but until I see more than anecdotes I still give them the benefit of the doubt.

    I think @googe is a security expert. Do you have an opinion on this? Do you think WhatsApp is lying about e2e encryption?
    It happens a lot. Another very recent example is an MMO specific mouse my buddy posted. I now get ads for MMO mouse. I don’t want one!

    If you think it coincidence, I have some ice to sell you.
    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age."

    -H.P. Lovecraft

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    Another beyond member just sent me some whatsapp messages regarding a product he has never purchased and has no interest in. No we wait for the zuk to send in the adverts.
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    There's no point unless you get rid of FB, Messenger, IG and whatsapp together. Those other apps are tracking you way more already. I downloaded signal though in case more people switch over.

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    Short answer, no, they aren’t lying. But, they have been trying to find ways to weaken it in order to monetize that data though. The WhatsApp founder quit facebook in protest over this and left about a billion dollars on the table, when all he had to do is STFU and wait another year or something. He basically said he wouldn’t do it, $3B that was already vested was enough, they can keep the $1B. So that’s a bit concerning. But as far as weakening it, I don’t think they have done anything yet but I haven’t looked at it in a few years. If they make a strong claim, you can usually take it at face value for the most part. If they flat out lie, the FTC and many lawyers would jump at the chance to sue them.

    Funny enough, the founder of WhatsApp worked with the founder of Signal to implement the same protocol. Under the hood, WhatsApp was changed to do the same thing as Signal for the most part. They were both huge privacy nuts and felt very strongly about this. Like, I feel strongly about encryption and privacy, but I’m pretty sure I’d drop everything and take the $1B if offered, haha.

    Signal is a non-profit run by a legit security researcher who has deep roots in the hacker scene. Like old school hackers, before ransomware was a thing and it was more about getting free phone calls or exploring, not the new criminal enterprise kind. I don’t agree with his anarchist politics on a lot of things, but I’d trust anything with his name on it, both ethically and technically. They know next to nothing about their users, not even who is in your contact list. They have had warrants that demand people’s Signal contacts and he has nothing to show them. So, I prefer Signal just because I don’t even have to wonder about it.

    The author of Signal even wrote a blog post attesting to WhatsApp’s security back in 2017.

    https://signal.org/blog/there-is-no-whatsapp-backdoor/

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    This really isn’t complicated guys.

    $20 Billion to buy WhatsApp.

    Zuck gots to get paid.
    Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

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    Nobody is saying they aren’t gonna monetize. There are other ways to do that aside from reading messages.

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    Like?
    Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

    If you think I have been trying to present myself as intellectually superior, then you truly are a dimwit.
    Originally posted by Toma
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    Well here's the other thing. Google says that they don't read your email. They read your email. But they can truthfully say that they don't read your email. No, there isn't a dude sitting there following your conversations, but a machine analyzes your email and uses the contents to build a profile on you.

    Facebook controls the app. The app gets the whole conversation and can do whatever it wants. The app could analyze conversations and build a profile on you, and send that profile back to facebook for example. It's still end to end encrypted, just with someone taking notes about what topics you like to discuss and reporting back. I don't think the app currently does this today or anything, but this would be an easy way to undermine expectations of privacy without lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Bottom of this page under the business messaging section:
    https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/sec...rivacy-policy/

    Pretty sure they charge businesses a fee for these services

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    $20 billion worth of business message hosting
    Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

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    Quote Originally Posted by beecue View Post
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    There's no point unless you get rid of FB, Messenger, IG and whatsapp together. Those other apps are tracking you way more already. I downloaded signal though in case more people switch over.
    For the record, I don't have FB, IG or Snap or Twitter.
    Only whatsapp and Gmail. So Zuckerberg is definitely tracking me based on texts.

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    I don't have twitter, snap, IG at all. And I don't have FB, LI or banking on my phone. I also don't have my password manager on my phone.

    I kinda assume that the day I installed Wechat on the phone, it got access to everything. Probably the safest assumption with most software.
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    Need a separate wechat phone, and don’t give it the wifi password.
    Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

    If you think I have been trying to present myself as intellectually superior, then you truly are a dimwit.
    Originally posted by Toma
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    I concede they may do the ad targeting based on your messages in the future. My point is that there is no evidence of this now.

    All that said, that doesn’t mean they aren’t using other data (like call logs, who you have active messages/group messages with, group message Subjects, and your contact list) to create profiles to target ads. In fact that could explain why people see targeted ads on things people talk about.

    For example say you have a group message with 3 people titled “running”. Person A has been searching for new running shoes and he landed on New Balances. Person A says “hey guys I got these wicked new balance shoes”. You could now see ads for New Balance shoes not because it read that particular message, but instead because your friend just bought new shoes and there is a decent chance that their contacts who they interact with in a group titled “running” would also be interested in similar shoes.

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    Looks like they are delaying the changes due to the backlash:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/15/t...s-delayed.html

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    Maybe I'm with the ICQ crowd and my age. But why does one need a messaging app over just normal texting?

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    International texting, read receipts, speed and reliability, ability to communicate on other devices, sharing files and bigger videos/pictures, picture and video quality, confidentiality as sms has no privacy features.
    Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

    If you think I have been trying to present myself as intellectually superior, then you truly are a dimwit.
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    don't forget group chats. SMS is still a shit show depending on what provider you and the people in the group are on.
    Originally posted by SEANBANERJEE
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    group chats are brutal on SMS. That's the main thing for me.
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