2023 Alberta Provincial Election MEGA THREAD

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https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...-rooms-isolate

For anyone who will accuse me of being blindly UCP.

This is a dog shit stupid move. Even Trudeau isn’t pulling that money losing scheme.

I don’t have an issue with it. It’s a cheap way to reduce spread for families that can’t or don’t have the space to isolate from family properly. Not everyone lives in aspen with access to a guest house.

This was an initiative a couple months ago iirc after nenshi bitched about how NE families can’t isolate from family. And I hate nenshi.

[killramos]

It’s going to end up anything BUT cheap

14 days free in a hotel. And what’s up with the cash bonus at the end?

Hundreds of confirmed cases a day, and AHS will hand out referrals like candy.

[rage2]

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It’s going to end up anything BUT cheap

14 days free in a hotel. And what’s up with the cash bonus at the end?

Hundreds of confirmed cases a day, and AHS will hand out referrals like candy.

Look past the sunk cost. If it lowers cases, lowers pressure on health care, and allow reopening it’ll be cheaper than dragging this shit out.

[killramos]

Lots of ifs built in.

My bet is any drop is cancelled out by ifs from law of unintended consequences. Lots of people are game for a 14 day stay in a warm bed with hot meals and a cash cheque at the end of their stay.

Sounds a lot like the “eliminate homelessness” feel good plans, “to save money”, that never work out.

[CUG]

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I have been getting great feedback on these MEGA THREADS so I knew just what topic all y'all would love to discuss. Alberta Provincial politics!

Predictions for the next election, which is supposed to happen before May 2023.
- Will Jason Kenney stay as leader of the Alberta Conservative party?
- Will a second credible conservative party re-emerge as a legitimate contender?
- Will the Alberta Liberal party ever recover?
- Will anyone campaign on a PST?
- Will party platforms and promises matter at all or will it go fully tribal?


Rampant speculation and wild theories encouraged.

Will Jason Kenney stay as leader of the Alberta Conservative party?
No; they will rebrand again or use him as a scapegoat

Will a second credible conservative party re-emerge as a legitimate contender?
Credible? At this point there's a suicidal adherence to 30 year old science and policy in any conservative platform. Prove me wrong.

Will the Alberta Liberal party ever recover?
They could if they campaigned themselves as a better alternative to the NDP, and not the UCP. IF they were ever going to make a move - they should do it now.

Will anyone campaign on a PST?
Kenney or the UCP is going to campaign against it, and because Alberta is bleeding intelligence at catastrophic levels, it will get him or the UCP votes.

Will party platforms and promises matter at all or will it go fully tribal?
Have platforms or promises ever actually mattered though?

Our arrogance of what we once were needs to find a home, and it will be in blaming absolutely everyone except ourselves.

If someone wants to champion transitioning to hydrogen, I'll give them a look

[Xtrema]

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If someone wants to champion transitioning to hydrogen, I'll give them a look

JK's UCP is looking into this. But as an outlet for fossil fuel.

I think fossil fuel could be a trojan horse if hydrogen economy ever takes off.

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I'm not a physicist, but as far as I can tell, hydrogen production requires massive amounts of cheap energy. So any transition to hydrogen requires another energy source at low prices to be viable. That might be hydrocarbon, solar, fusion or something not yet invented yet. If we can make cheap abundant electricity, I think we can skip a step and not bother with the hydrogen for most use-cases.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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I'm not a physicist, but as far as I can tell, hydrogen production requires massive amounts of cheap energy. So any transition to hydrogen requires another energy source at low prices to be viable. That might be hydrocarbon, solar, fusion or something not yet invented yet. If we can make cheap abundant electricity, I think we can skip a step and not bother with the hydrogen for most use-cases.

Yes and no.
Steam Methane Reformer plus a reasonable solution to carbon capture equals Blue Hydrogen and that's the next step on the path before cheaper green energy becomes more available.

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Yes and no.
Steam Methane Reformer plus a reasonable solution to carbon capture equals Blue Hydrogen and that's the next step on the path before cheaper green energy becomes more available.

Even that uses a fuckton of energy, although I suppose if you capture the evil carbons it doesn't matter any more.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Even that uses a fuckton of energy, although I suppose if you capture the evil carbons it doesn't matter any more.

Yes, energy, but not electricity. Burning methane for the heat to get the reaction going and methane conversion within the reaction.

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I feel like you are agreeing with me.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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I feel like you are agreeing with me.

I feel like burning methane makes you moist.

[ExtraSlow]

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I feel like burning methane makes you moist.

Accurate

[killramos]

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I feel like burning methane makes you moist.

That’s just basic chemistry

[CUG]

Yeah, kinda sounds like you guys are in agreement. I'm limited in my knowledge of it other than it's higher pressure than natural gas, so that infrastructure wouldn't work. As I understand it for home fueling and the like, it would be a similar arrangement to home heating oil out east etc, but with high pressure containment?

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Yeah, kinda sounds like you guys are in agreement. I'm limited in my knowledge of it other than it's higher pressure than natural gas, so that infrastructure wouldn't work. As I understand it for home fueling and the like, it would be a similar arrangement to home heating oil out east etc, but with high pressure containment?

For home heating etc, it's not about pressure, at all. It's about molecule size and something called hydrogen enbrittlement... H2 is the smallest and lightest molecule on earth, so it really really wants to leak out of the horse shit, threaded connections in and around your house. It also can actually migrate into the microscopic lattice structure of carbon steel and mess it up, basically making it less bendy and more breaky. (Ultra Science terms).
The trial testing of using supplemental hydrogen are only going to start at 5% and if that's successful, they'll try 10%. They know that they can't go much higher than that without the risk of leaking and pipe damage becoming too high.

[CUG]

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For home heating etc, it's not about pressure, at all. It's about molecule size and something called hydrogen enbrittlement... H2 is the smallest and lightest molecule on earth, so it really really wants to leak out of the horse shit, threaded connections in and around your house. It also can actually migrate into the microscopic lattice structure of carbon steel and mess it up, basically making it less bendy and more breaky. (Ultra Science terms).
The trial testing of using supplemental hydrogen are only going to start at 5% and if that's successful, they'll try 10%. They know that they can't go much higher than that without the risk of leaking and pipe damage becoming too high.

Learned more here than perusing reddit for 8 hours straight. Thanks Mightier Penis.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Learned more here than perusing reddit for 8 hours straight. Thanks Mightier Penis.

No problem. I went to a seminar about it recently that had three-dimensional graphs. It was pretty fast paced, but I got some nuggets out of it.
I believe that the info is all publically accessible. I'll try to remember to dig up the link.
Maybe I'll start "The Mega2 H2 Thread of 2022!!!* (a year early)" because I've seen some recent economics on this and Canada is shockingly well positioned to be a dominant player in Grey/Purple to Blue to Green hydrogen production.

[SkiBum5.0]

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Yeah, kinda sounds like you guys are in agreement. I'm limited in my knowledge of it other than it's higher pressure than natural gas, so that infrastructure wouldn't work. As I understand it for home fueling and the like, it would be a similar arrangement to home heating oil out east etc, but with high pressure containment?

True on pressure but that’s not the limiting threat. Embrittlement and consumer use demand is the near term issues imo. It’s already heavily mixed in gas pipelines in Canada and other parts of the world.

[ExtraSlow]

Fuckballzz

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/338...n-alberta/amp/