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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    No new evidence. No further investigation. Not surprised.

    Curious what they brought to the table. Might be worth some lolz.
    I don't think it would matter if they brought a signed confession from Hamilton that he did it on purpose. The FIA isn't going to undermine themselves and admit they made a mistake. And really they didn't make a mistake. RBR not liking the rules, doesn't change the rules as they exist. It sucks there isn't more penalty for ruining someones race, but FIA still applied the penalty that exists correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    The new evidence was RBR using up a filming day, having Albon drive the RBR car on test tires at the same speed and lines as Hamilton to prove that Hamilton purposely rammed Max.

    Mercedes only released a short statement that accused RBR management of tarnishing the sporting integrity of Hamilton.
    Wow they went farther than I expected. My assumption was it would be Ham's telemetry data uploaded to a Sim that would show him plowing through the corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    I don't think it would matter if they brought a signed confession from Hamilton that he did it on purpose. The FIA isn't going to undermine themselves and admit they made a mistake. And really they didn't make a mistake. RBR not liking the rules, doesn't change the rules as they exist. It sucks there isn't more penalty for ruining someones race, but FIA still applied the penalty that exists correctly.
    FIA needs to rethink things when you can gain a significant net benefit by skillfully punting your world championship rival off the track in on of the most dangerous parts of the entire F1 season.

    Other sports would call it "targetting" or "intent to injure"

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    In some respects. I think the FIA and along with the owners are managing this as it may be good for the sport in terms of revenue.
    I mean we are all going to be watching the next few races now. The bitchfest has made the championship more exciting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    FIA needs to rethink things when you can gain a significant net benefit by skillfully punting your world championship rival off the track in on of the most dangerous parts of the entire F1 season.

    Other sports would call it "targetting" or "intent to injure"
    So the penalty should be higher because the championship rival got pushed into a wall? So should it be less severe if someone not in the running ends up in the wall? What if two people neither of whom are championship contenders do this with each other? Does that matter?

    This sort of arbitrary distinction is impossible to implement. It doesn't matter who went into the wall and what the other person gained from it. People are just so bent over it because it was Max who went into the wall and Ham ended up winning. If Ham hadn't won after the 10 second penalty I guarantee no one would have been complaining.

    Bottom line is FIA rules that Ham was 'predominantly' at fault, i.e., Max wasn't faultless. His fans can whine and cry over it all they want and call FIA names, ultimately it isn't going to change what actually happened. Anyway, I am looking forward to Hungary and hoping for another exciting session. Ham and Max at the front is going to be super fun and let whoever is having a better day on that day win.
    @rage2 we should set up a conference thing that you do. I will be watching on the big screen on my end, but still cool to have a 'watch party'. I just hate how it has to be at fucking 7AM our time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakalaka View Post
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    So the penalty should be higher because the championship rival got pushed into a wall? So should it be less severe if someone not in the running ends up in the wall? What if two people neither of whom are championship contenders do this with each other? Does that matter?

    This sort of arbitrary distinction is impossible to implement. It doesn't matter who went into the wall and what the other person gained from it. People are just so bent over it because it was Max who went into the wall and Ham ended up winning. If Ham hadn't won after the 10 second penalty I guarantee no one would have been complaining.

    Bottom line is FIA rules that Ham was 'predominantly' at fault, i.e., Max wasn't faultless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    I find it funny when people try to say RBR are whiners. When we all know that if roles reversed and Max had driven Lewis off the track, Toto would be making as much or more noise as Horner is. It's F1, you take any edge you can get, both on and off the track.
    I spent some time last night trying to find a similar situation. Since Mercedes have been mostly dominating, it was sure tough to find, but I did find something in 2018 when Ferrari was the stronger car. This was after 2 races were Ferrari took out a Mercedes in a racing incident that impacted the championship at that stage. They felt 2 incidents over 2 races was suspect. You’re right, Mercedes did do something similar, insinuating that it was intentional.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...rrari-mercedes

    The difference was, they apologized and said they were wrong the next day. Heat of the moment comments.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ish-grand-prix

    Still waiting on rbr to say more than “nothing personal” lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shakalaka View Post
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    @rage2 we should set up a conference thing that you do. I will be watching on the big screen on my end, but still cool to have a 'watch party'. I just hate how it has to be at fucking 7AM our time...
    I have a zoom watch party with F1 fans in India. You should join, fit right in haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shakalaka View Post
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    So the penalty should be higher because the championship rival got pushed into a wall? So should it be less severe if someone not in the running ends up in the wall? What if two people neither of whom are championship contenders do this with each other? Does that matter?

    This sort of arbitrary distinction is impossible to implement. It doesn't matter who went into the wall and what the other person gained from it. People are just so bent over it because it was Max who went into the wall and Ham ended up winning. If Ham hadn't won after the 10 second penalty I guarantee no one would have been complaining.

    Bottom line is FIA rules that Ham was 'predominantly' at fault, i.e., Max wasn't faultless. His fans can whine and cry over it all they want and call FIA names, ultimately it isn't going to change what actually happened. Anyway, I am looking forward to Hungary and hoping for another exciting session. Ham and Max at the front is going to be super fun and let whoever is having a better day on that day win.
    @rage2 we should set up a conference thing that you do. I will be watching on the big screen on my end, but still cool to have a 'watch party'. I just hate how it has to be at fucking 7AM our time...
    There isn't a sport on the planet that allows you to retain the benefit of an action that leads to a penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    There isn't a sport on the planet that allows you to retain the benefit of an action that leads to a penalty.
    How about hockey, get a penalty for injuring top player taking them out of the game, team gets a power play. Then the penalized team scores a short handed goal because the top player isn’t there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    How about hockey, get a penalty for injuring top player taking them out of the game, team gets a power play. Then the penalized team scores a short handed goal because the top player isnít there.
    Didn't the Flames tell Iggy to fight less because the tradeoff between him sitting in the box versus the 4th liner he just fought was totally off-kilter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sexualbanana View Post
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    Didn't the Flames tell Iggy to fight less because the tradeoff between him sitting in the box versus the 4th liner he just fought was totally off-kilter?
    Yup. That would be equivalent to telling Max to leave more room in corner battles when you’re leading the championship by over a race win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    There isn't a sport on the planet that allows you to retain the benefit of an action that leads to a penalty.
    You’re right. Hamilton shouldn’t have been penalized at all.

    Max on the other hand…
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    How about hockey, get a penalty for injuring top player taking them out of the game, team gets a power play. Then the penalized team scores a short handed goal because the top player isn’t there.
    More like running the goalie and letting the goal stand.

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    More like the goalie skating out of the net to try and check the shooter, and breaking his leg in the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    More like the goalie skating out of the net to try and check the shooter, and breaking his leg in the process.
    staaaahp

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    Yea, this is way more entertaining than the actual drama haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    More like the goalie skating out of the net to try and check the shooter, and breaking his leg in the process.
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    The benefit of masks is not known at this time. But we do know it is some non-trivial amount more than zero.

    We also know that the cost of mask use is, essentially, zero.

    So the cost:benefit of mask use is approaching infinity. I'll take that every time. And every time I see someone without a mask, I think they are stupid.

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