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    Default Before Basement Development

    Basement is currently unfinished.

    Plan is to develop late this year summer or fall.

    What are things I should get done before for upstairs before it gets difficult? Please chime in

    My current list:
    • New electrical to powder room for bidet
    • Central Air conditioning
    • Garage 220V
    • Toe-kick pan for central vac added to kitchen
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    Run gas line for future gas stove even if you don't think you'll ever get one. Run gas line to deck even if you don't think you'll ever get a methane grill.

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    Yeah, run gas lines, and network cabining, to main floor rooms now before the basement is developed. Also, worth getting your radon tested beforehand too.
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    Once everything is done, spray foam all the things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    Once everything is done, spray foam all the things.
    Came to post this.

    Leaving very satisfied.

    Spray foam is a game changer for basements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nismodrifter View Post
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    Came to post this.

    Leaving very satisfied.

    Spray foam is a game changer for basements.
    What's the deal on VOCs from Spray foam. You see some very satisfied people and you see some horror stories where people are living in an RV on their front driveway.

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    If you don't have it already, run a few cat6 cables to somewhere on your main floor. Or at least one to your garage.

    Now is also the time to have that orgy, or murder a hooker. You don't need to deep clean as all that DNA will get covered by subfloor and drywall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benyl View Post
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    What's the deal on VOCs from Spray foam. You see some very satisfied people and you see some horror stories where people are living in an RV on their front driveway.
    "Those people" are actually one guy and you're hearing the loudest Karen while all the happy customers are quiet and warm.
    The issue comes from extremely poor installation and it's so rare, even a scholarly spray foam installer virtually never fucks it up that bad.
    New propellant/blowing agents have almost zero I think, but all you need to do is be out of the house for about 8hr as an old precaution.

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    ... or murder a hooker. You don't need to deep clean as all that DNA will get covered by subfloor and drywall.
    Wait... What has everyone else been doing with their hookers!?? Paying them and letting them wander off??!!
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    Consider some HVAC dampers with accessible panels. I wish I had more leeway to tweak things even seasonally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Consider some HVAC dampers with accessible panels. I wish I had more leeway to tweak things even seasonally.

    Automate if you are a baller.
    How baller are we talking to have automated dampers?

    Love these threads. Always good info to note for a future build.

    re VOC, out of house for the day I think.

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    $100 a damper. They're controlled in the exact same way that your cheap humidifer works. 24ac relay, normally-open or normally-closed. I need to install one for my fresh air intake so that it doesnt leak cold air into the house all the damn time.

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    Water line for your fridge if you dont already have one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asian_defender View Post
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    Water line for your fridge if you dont already have one
    That's a good one. And, if you can make it braided stainless steel or something that's better than the recycled drinking straw material just waiting to flood your entire fucking house, then that'd be better.

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    Points already made on low voltage wiring, gas lines and spray foam are all legit.

    • Consider whether you want any additional hose bibs or exterior electrical outlets. Now is the time.
    • How about your thermostat? How many conductors do you have going between your main/upper floor t-stats and your furnaces. You sure it's enough?
    • Water lines. Do you have water running every place in the upper stories that you could possibly want?
    • Smoke/Fire alarms. Wire for interconnect if you have not already.
    • Sound insulation and resilient channel in your floor joists. (more something to make sure you consider during your development)
    • Pot lights. I wish I'd added a few pot lights in the bedroom/office spaces I have in the basement. I just opted for a single octagon box in both bedrooms and wish I had 4x potlights for the office.


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    That's a good one. And, if you can make it braided stainless steel or something that's better than the recycled drinking straw material just waiting to flood your entire fucking house, then that'd be better.
    1/2" pex drop right to the back of the fridge is what I opt for. Then you can go to threaded stainless line.

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    Running HVAC ducting to your garage (as is implied by "garage AC" in the OP) is likely a BIG no no. You don't want to have any tin bashed into a garage space in case a car is left running. Code violation I'd bet, you need a separate heating unit (i.e. ductless mini split).

    Imagine a cold air return sucking in vapours and stuff from the garage. Yuck.

    If it doesnt actually violate code, I still wouldn't do it for fear of some overzealous inspector fucking your sale up.

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    Run a 40a circuit to your garage for electric vehicle charging.

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    What's the advantages of spray foam anyways? It seems like that it's just easier for installers.

    I had it done in my basement, sold on the fact that it dampens noise (it doesn't) and is quite messy to get into wiring and other stuff for servicing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    What's the advantages of spray foam anyways? It seems like that it's just easier for installers.

    I had it done in my basement, sold on the fact that it dampens noise (it doesn't) and is quite messy to get into wiring and other stuff for servicing.
    It's not as good at dampening noise compared to every other form of insulation. The primary advantage is that it is insulation and vapour barrier in one. It was a big deal in southern Ontario and would very much decrease the damp feeling in basements. It also seals into tight spaces a lot better due to expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prae View Post
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    Running HVAC ducting to your garage (as is implied by "garage AC" in the OP) is likely a BIG no no. You don't want to have any tin bashed into a garage space in case a car is left running. Code violation I'd bet, you need a separate heating unit (i.e. ductless mini split).

    Imagine a cold air return sucking in vapours and stuff from the garage. Yuck.
    Oops I meant Garage 220V... idk where garage A/C came from lol

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    @rage2
    The R-value of spray foam is also significantly better, so you get (iIRC) about 7 per inch which can give you an R20 basement with only 2x4 walls. And that's just in a lab type of testing - the reality is that because it fills everything so perfectly, the air ingress is essentially zero which leads to additional heat/cold retention that is not shown by the R-value on the packaging.
    Agree, it's wiener pain to need to fish shit through that wall after, so folks should start a thread and get advice on what to do first.

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    Spray foaming just rim joists is an interesting compromise- rim joist is just about impossible to effectively seal with vapour barrier and is (IMO) the source from where most basement (and heck even main floor) air intrusion happens.

    I feel like spray foaming the whole wall if you're in there already makes total sense but I have had some smart people who actually run businesses doing this challenge me on that.

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    The best way I have seen spray foam done in a basement is spraying it right on the foundation walls and then framing your walls on the inside of the spray foam after it is installed. This is of course you can afford to lose that square footage in your basement. It allows for a lot of flexibility of fishing wires through the space and not deal with insulation being in the way.

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