Fire Gina Carano ??

[sabad66]

https://babylonbee.com/news/gina-car...-male-director

[Rocket1k78]

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Why are celebrities dumb, dont they realize they have too much to lose by saying dumb shit like this. Especially with the sensitive public view.

This. Whether or not its right or wrong makes no difference now, peeps are way too fucking sensitive. They had to change the name on syrup FFS

[kertejud2]

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Presumably you would also conclude that Islamophobia is not a thing because people choose to be Muslim.

You have to live with no concept of nuance to make a stretch of ‘is different than’ equating to ‘not a thing’ without even getting int of something complex like the inherent racist elements of islamophobia. With such irrational jumps like that it makes it clear any chance of a rational discussion would be impossible.

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It's not offensive (or even entirely inaccurate). All these anecdotes of "freedom of speech isnt freedom from consequences" are just noise.

The problem is that her point of view goes against the narrative of the powers that be in the USA.

They aren't just noise, the entire idea and law behind the US Freedom of Speech is for no GOVERNMENT intervention. I don't agree with cancel culture, but you can't use their freedom of speech as an argument against it because it isn't applicable to these situations.

[Buster]

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You have to live with no concept of nuance to make a stretch of ‘is different than’ equating to ‘not a thing’ without even getting int of something complex like the inherent racist elements of islamophobia. With such irrational jumps like that it makes it clear any chance of a rational discussion would be impossible.

So race and religion are the same thing to you, so long as that is convenient?

We all know your history of supporting racial segregation on this board, though...so I'll defer to you as an expert on the topic.

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You have to live with no concept of nuance to make a stretch of ‘is different than’ equating to ‘not a thing’ without even getting int of something complex like the inherent racist elements of islamophobia. With such irrational jumps like that it makes it clear any chance of a rational discussion would be impossible.

This is your most impressive cop-out when outclassed to date perhaps.

[CompletelyNumb]

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They aren't just noise, the entire idea and law behind the US Freedom of Speech is for no GOVERNMENT intervention. I don't agree with cancel culture, but you can't use their freedom of speech as an argument against it because it isn't applicable to these situations.

Right, but this is hardly a case for actual consequences. Disney may as well have said "she's been fired for liking pancakes more than waffles" and getting away with it. In my mind there's a large gap between posting something offensive, and posting something others disagree with.

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So race and religion are the same thing to you, so long as that is convenient?

Many European countries, Nazi Germany in particular, classed them as one and the same as part of their justification of prejudice. I know that’s hard for you to grasp. Jews as a race and Jews as a religion was not a distinction the people or the state made in Nazi Germany. That’s why it’s different.

We all know your history of supporting racial segregation on this board, though...so I'll defer to you as an expert on the topic.

You’re just making shit up again. But I wouldn’t expect any different from a Residential schools apologist.

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I'm getting a chubby.

[Buster]

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Many European countries, Nazi Germany in particular, classed them as one and the same as part of their justification of prejudice. I know that’s hard for you to grasp. Jews as a race and Jews as a religion was not a distinction the people or the state made in Nazi Germany. That’s why it’s different.

Look, I'm just repeating the contradictory logic that you're putting out there. Don't let me stop you from arguing with yourself.

[kertejud2]

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Look, I'm just repeating the contradictory logic that you're putting out there. Don't let me stop you from arguing with yourself.

What’s contradictory again?

Did the government classify anti-maskers an an ethnic group, codifying how one is an anti-masker by birth to be able to classify them as American or Anti-Masker to subjugate them and take away their rights so that even if you weren’t a practicing anti-masker you were still classified based on birth and could be attacked, beaten, and persecuted with state approval.

Because that is how It would be the same as Gina Carano’s situation.

For the Islamophobia angle, there are plenty of stories from non-Muslims (Sikhs in particular) who Islamophobes think are Muslim because of how they look to inflict their hate upon, which also makes it more nuanced than a typical ‘this is about choice vs race’ issue, because there are people who conflate the two. But that isn’t what you said either, ‘being different than’ is not the same as ‘not a thing’ no matter how much you pretend it is.

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What’s contradictory again?

Did the government classify anti-maskers an an ethnic group, codifying how one is an anti-masker by birth to be able to classify them as American or Anti-Masker to subjugate them and take away their rights so that even if you weren’t a practicing anti-masker you were still classified based on birth and could be attacked, beaten, and persecuted with state approval.

Because that is how It would be the same as Gina Carano’s situation.

For the Islamophobia angle, there are plenty of stories from non-Muslims (Sikhs in particular) who Islamophobes think are Muslim because of how they look to inflict their hate upon, which also makes it more nuanced than a typical ‘this is about choice vs race’ issue, because there are people who conflate the two. But that isn’t what you said either, ‘being different than’ is not the same as ‘not a thing’ no matter how much you pretend it is.

"your argument makes no sense".

"sure it does, it's just nuanced"

[killramos]

I think I have found an ideal analogy for the way Kert likes to argue.

“Don’t know a knot? Tie a lot”

[kertejud2]

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"your argument makes no sense".

"sure it does, it's just nuanced"

So you genuinely believe that Jews weren’t classified as a race in Nazi Germany?

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Right, but this is hardly a case for actual consequences. Disney may as well have said "she's been fired for liking pancakes more than waffles" and getting away with it. In my mind there's a large gap between posting something offensive, and posting something others disagree with.

If her contract specifically states she will not share pro-pancake, anti-waffle statements on social media, then they could definitely get away with it. She signed it with the agreement she would be paid in-part for not being pro-waffle, and in-part for her acting.

If she didn't like the terms of her contract, limiting her freedom of expression, she didn't have to sign it.

[killramos]

I have a proposal for a new profile pic for Kert

[ZenOps]

I'd say that with the internet today, its a lot harder to get everyone on one side. Everyone has an opinion, even those that think Star Wars is better than Star Trek.

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So you genuinely believe that Jews weren’t classified as a race in Nazi Germany?

Always seemed weird to me. They all white people from my standpoint.

[rx7boi]

What times we live in.

I'm alright with seeing her leave as Cara Dune wasn't a very captivating character for me. Bill Burr's character was mint though, haha.

Other than that, I'm just irritated at how much time and energy people waste on cancel culture and gender/identity politics.

For Disney, it's just business. They can't risk one of their assets being a liability and costing them money. Buh bye. You give up a lot when you become a public figure.

[JRSC00LUDE]

This is amazing hahahaha