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    If I'm not mistaken, there's an FJ Cruiser between the F-150 and the semi that got decimated - Unreal. Prayers to those in this accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vengie View Post
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    “Wind turbines froze, and solar panels were covered, unable to generate enough electricity”

    If only there was an alternative.....
    Right so it turns out that if you don't winterize your power generation it fails when it's cold. Doesn't matter what kind of power generation we are talking about. Texas has had to shutdown coal plants, natural gas turbines and even has had to shutdown some of their nuclear power plants. Turns out when you're using steam and you don't have insulated pipes stuff freezes up. Oh and natural gas doesn't flow so well when it's going through non insulated pipes and has a high moisture content. That's Ok though let's blame the solar panels and wind turbines which work fine in our winters... Looks like de-regulating the grid and power generation resulted in a race to the bottom and corner cutting when it came to being able to operate in the cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabad66 View Post
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    Pretty sad watching Texas politicians playing gymnastics on this issue
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    Yeah, but Joe Rogan told me Texas was cool because there's more privately owned pet tigers there than exist in the wild. He even moved there!

    How cool is that?

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    This is pretty unreal cold for that area. North Texas gets snowstorms, but rarely prolonged cold. I have coworkers in Texas and Oklahoma so I get daily updates.
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdavirgin View Post
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    Right so it turns out that if you don't winterize your power generation it fails when it's cold. Doesn't matter what kind of power generation we are talking about. Texas has had to shutdown coal plants, natural gas turbines and even has had to shutdown some of their nuclear power plants. Turns out when you're using steam and you don't have insulated pipes stuff freezes up. Oh and natural gas doesn't flow so well when it's going through non insulated pipes and has a high moisture content. That's Ok though let's blame the solar panels and wind turbines which work fine in our winters... Looks like de-regulating the grid and power generation resulted in a race to the bottom and corner cutting when it came to being able to operate in the cold.
    You are taking my internet comments far too seriously.

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    Joe Rogan is correct, Texas IS cool. It's the coolest.
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roopi View Post
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    Solid headline: $900 to charge a Tesla

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...la-To-900.html
    Also, may be papa Musk got your back?
    https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors...free_in_texas/
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    Why is their natural gas so wet? What kind of horse shit spec's do they follow that allows that much moisture?

    I gotta check how wet ours is allowed to be because I really think it's extremely low here. Maybe I'm wrong.

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    Just did some reading up on nat gas lines freezing.

    Interesting. Seems to me the cheapest method to prevent this would be methanol injection (no real cost once installed unless it is needed). Guess Texas learned a hard lesson.

    I'm assuming in canuckistan most of our nat gas lines are underground aka insulated? And I'm also guessing most Texas natgas lines are above ground because cheap and typically it doesn't get this cold this long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Joe Rogan is correct, Texas IS cool. It's the coolest.
    Ah, this guy's smellin what in steppin in!

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    Do people really think Texas should have designed their energy infrastructure to accommodate a freak event?
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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Do people really think Texas should have designed their energy infrastructure to accommodate a freak event?
    Insulated pipes/cold weather wind turbines is a bit much for sure, but it doesn’t hurt to be connected to the federal grid just like all the other lower 48 states. Millions of people without power for multiple days is pretty bad and likely negates whatever advantages decoupling gave them over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Do people really think Texas should have designed their energy infrastructure to accommodate a freak event?
    Well HAZOPs are regulated requirements in the US, only recommended practice here
    So somewhere in each of these utility companies there is paperwork that says someone as accepted this risk

    Do we plan for events like this too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Do people really think Texas should have designed their energy infrastructure to accommodate a freak event?
    When everything is turned political then yes.

    Regarding driving, I think a lot of people use hard compounds to withstand the summer heat, when it's cold they are hockey pucks. Add some ice and it's game over. Also the speeds there are amazingly high
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Do people really think Texas should have designed their energy infrastructure to accommodate a freak event?
    Don't know if this was directed at me.

    If so, my answer is "maybe?" If there is an inexpensive way to negate the problem, it may be worth it. I don't know how much of a freak event this is, or if there are other factors to consider. Lord knows I can't find an article with the basic facts of the matter at hand stated, but maybe I'm just bad at teh goggles.

    I didn't mean to say Texas deserved it. Just it is a hard lesson. Should utilities not be "hardened" against some rare events? They do planning for solar flares/bursts, as an example, and its been over a decade since one hit that knocked out a powergrid IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zechs View Post
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    Don't know if this was directed at me.

    If so, my answer is "maybe?" If there is an inexpensive way to negate the problem, it may be worth it. I don't know how much of a freak event this is, or if there are other factors to consider. Lord knows I can't find an article with the basic facts of the matter at hand stated, but maybe I'm just bad at teh goggles.

    I didn't mean to say Texas deserved it. Just it is a hard lesson. Should utilities not be "hardened" against some rare events? They do planning for solar flares/bursts, as an example, and its been over a decade since one hit that knocked out a powergrid IIRC.
    Cheap way out is to tie the grid and have surrounding states that knows what they doing to bail you out.

    But it's probably tough for Texans to take that.

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    Interestingly it looks like natural gas plants struggled the most to produce power because of the freezing. Most of the wind / solar power was actually able to continue generating and ended up being a larger portion of their power during the freeze

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    https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...et-a-big-bill/

    Electric company wants to lose customers, so they are not obligated to buy power to service at $9,000 per MW. Welcome to 2021.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    Interestingly it looks like natural gas plants struggled the most to produce power because of the freezing. Most of the wind / solar power was actually able to continue generating and ended up being a larger portion of their power during the freeze
    If I am reading Ercot's charts right.

    Solar peaks at 2pm, 3400MW, with basically no power before 9am and after 7pm.

    Wind peaked at only 3600MW out of an installed capacity of 25,000MW. It also was useless from 8am to noon.

    So solar is great for uptime, except when there is no light. If the money used to subsidize solar and wind had been put into nat gas hardening, there wouldn't be an issue.

    So I think its a bit dubious to suggest either solar or wind was "better" in this regard.

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    None of the generators look particularly great right now.
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