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    Quote Originally Posted by zechs View Post
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    If I am reading Ercot's charts right.

    Solar peaks at 2pm, 3400MW, with basically no power before 9am and after 7pm.

    Wind peaked at only 3600MW out of an installed capacity of 25,000MW. It also was useless from 8am to noon.

    So solar is great for uptime, except when there is no light. If the money used to subsidize solar and wind had been put into nat gas hardening, there wouldn't be an issue.

    So I think its a bit dubious to suggest either solar or wind was "better" in this regard.
    Nukes have always been the answer.

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    And it's not just Texas with electricity problems. Oklahoma has rolling blackouts too, and they are part of the big interconnected power grid.

    I am fascinated to see the natural gas storage draws, although all that reporting is 1-2 weeks delayed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zechs View Post
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    If I am reading Ercot's charts right.

    Solar peaks at 2pm, 3400MW, with basically no power before 9am and after 7pm.

    Wind peaked at only 3600MW out of an installed capacity of 25,000MW. It also was useless from 8am to noon.

    So solar is great for uptime, except when there is no light. If the money used to subsidize solar and wind had been put into nat gas hardening, there wouldn't be an issue.

    So I think its a bit dubious to suggest either solar or wind was "better" in this regard.
    https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02...s-power-storm/

    The outages during this storm far exceeded what ERCOT had predicted in November for an extreme winter event. The forecast for peak demand was 67 gigawatts; peak usage during the storm was more than 69 gigawatts Sunday.

    Itís estimated that about 80% of the gridís capacity, or 67 gigawatts, could be generated by natural gas, coal and some nuclear power. Only 7% of ERCOTís forecasted winter capacity, or 6 gigawatts, was expected to come from various wind power sources across the state.

    Woodfin said Tuesday that 16 gigawatts of renewable energy generation, mostly wind generation, are offline and that 30 gigawatts of thermal sources, which include gas, coal and nuclear energy, are offline.

    ďIt appears that a lot of the generation that has gone offline today has been primarily due to issues on the natural gas system,Ē Woodfin said during a Tuesday call with reporters.
    Basically in their winter forecast model they expected renewables to drop to a small fraction anyways but its the thermal plants going down that actually caused the biggest unexpected drop and why they didn't have enough capacity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    Basically in their winter forecast model they expected renewables to drop to a small fraction anyways but its the thermal plants going down that actually caused the biggest unexpected drop and why they didn't have enough capacity.
    Basically, they wasted a ton of money subsidizing wind and solar, leading to people dying. Yes, I understand completely. It wasn't "better". It was a thing that had no meaningful impact. Like claiming a drop of water in a drought is better than just having water to begin with.

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    Cheap way out is to tie the grid and have surrounding states that knows what they doing to bail you out.

    But it's probably tough for Texans to take that.
    It's actually quite expensive. Part of why they don't want to be part of the grid is because they would then have to upgrade their system to meet federal codes. They don't want that, they enjoy the true 'merica way of paying the lowest bidder to take shortcuts when building infrastructure.

    Like anything it works until it doesn't. My bet is this won't be the last cold snap they see in the next few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zechs View Post
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    Basically, they wasted a ton of money subsidizing wind and solar, leading to people dying. Yes, I understand completely. It wasn't "better". It was a thing that had no meaningful impact. Like claiming a drop of water in a drought is better than just having water to begin with.
    Imagine having such poor critical thinking skills... People are dying because the privately owned power plants both renewable and fossil fuel based chose not to winterize or prepare for cold snap events. Wind and solar work fine in our climate so yeah let's blame something completely unrelated because it doesn't fit your chosen agenda. Fossil fuel based power is frankly stupid and we should be building more nuclear power plants but the problem here isn't the fuel source it's the not preparing for winter/cold and everything freezing.

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    Actually, there is enough natural gas electrical production to cover the states needs. Summer demand in Texas is definitely over double or triple winter most of the time. If the natgas generators were running properly, they would not need other forms of energy at this time of year in previous years.

    It takes 3x as much energy to cool one degree as it does to heat one degree, as you basically have to generate heat to get cold, but if you want just straight heat, nearly all electrical elements are 99% efficient at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdavirgin View Post
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    People are dying because the privately owned power plants both renewable and fossil fuel based chose not to winterize or prepare for cold snap events
    Clearly the only solution is more government regulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by That_Nast View Post
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    Clearly the only solution is more government regulation.
    It depends on people losing power for 48hrs is acceptable in 2021 or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    They do not.
    Highways in Woodlands/Houston area scared me for the 1st half hour till I got my bearings then it was a dream, everyone doing 80mph! Keep the GPS on point and don't fuck up!
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    If the solar cycle minimalists are correct, we can expect more of these kinds of events.

    I dont recall something like this much cold, for this long, happening this far south the last 10-15 years.

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    Celltowers are starting to go down now too. They only have a day or so of fuel backup generator capacity, and they are having problems getting to some of them.

    Gotta hire some scrubs to fill up the tanks at the tower.
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    We need a sun tax.
    Originally posted by SJW
    Once again another useless post by JRSCOOLDUDE.
    Originally posted by snowcat
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE View Post
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    We need a sun tax.
    Is that different than property tax somehow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenOps View Post
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    Gotta hire some scrubs to fill up the tanks at the tower.
    don't want no scrubs.
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    Oh god, don't get him started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE View Post
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    We need a sun tax.

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...itarian-crisis

    Yeah, I totally wonder if its full on panic mode in El Paso, where they recycle their poopwater. Noone ever thought that Texas would ever be out of power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    don't want no scrubs.
    they can't get no love from you?
    Originally posted by SJW
    Once again another useless post by JRSCOOLDUDE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE View Post
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    they can't get no love from you?
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    A mayor from a small town in Texas sure fucked up real nice, fucked up so bad even his wife got fired for just being associated with him lol The fuck are people thinking when they post shit like this

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tim-boy...power-outages/
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    and I did not have the only say in the matter (most people just want it done ASAP and don't care about quality).
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    If anything we made a better decision because we had a consensus and were all on the same page.

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