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    Quote Originally Posted by eblend View Post
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    Wife and I are members of the antisocial social club, so for her and I it's fine, and my parents keep to themselves as well, plus dad will have more land to grow his beloved tomatoes, which currently take up like 80% of his back yard during the summer. I have been all over the place recently, I am thinking best approach might be to buy a bigger plot of land and hopefully subdivide, so that they would be side by side, but considered two legal entities, we would have our respective buildings without a fence in between, and then eventually can sell a half off when the time comes. Many idea and back and forth on best way to proceed. Going to meet with my buddy who just moved out to an acreage and poke his brain a bit, and going to drive around and get familiar with the areas and see which area we prefer, so far leaning to the south.

    Anyone have any idea how much it would cost to build a ~1500 sqf basic house out in in the country, for the structure alone? Currently my parents live in Silverado in that size of a house, and it's worth probably around $400k on a good day...if I paid for their land...is $400k realistic to have a house of same size build out in the country, taking into account the need to get septic/well/connect electricity/gas?

    At the moment my thinking is hopefully a 4-6 acre lot, hopefully we can subdivide, and build side by side. I would pay for the full land + build new house for wife and I (nothing crazy, 2000 sqf or something + big shop) and on their portion would just be a house and whatever sheds/greenhouses my dad wants to build himself.
    Can't speak for the house building costs but a bare minimum I would think is $200/sf and up to $300/sf pretty easily.

    Now for the land, don't be scared off of smaller acreages "IF" the land is laid out well and treed. We are on just a hair under 2.5 acres and you would never know it as the property is surrounded by forest with our cleared area in the middle it feels like it could be 50 acres because you can only see so far through the trees. We have two neighbours that border on our property to the east and north and a guy across the road and you can't see anybodies houses and is dead private, but if you were on 10 acres of field you feel way more encroached upon and it would feel much smaller than our property which is a quarter of that size.

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    There's not much chance you can build a house of any decent quality far from the city for <$300/sqft with utilities/sewer already in place. If you are doing true greenfield construction, it will add easily mid 5 figures to that cost to get water surveys, drill wells, get electricity, dig septic. I would suggest talking to some builders that do acreage work, take whatever quotes they give you, then add 15-20% to give you a reasonable baseline.

    All in all, I think this is a great idea (except maybe the seniors having to do long drives to appointments - that should be a major consideration), but it is not cheap to build new in the middle of nowhere.

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    Now for the land, don't be scared off of smaller acreages "IF" the land is laid out well and treed. We are on just a hair under 2.5 acres and you would never know it as the property is surrounded by forest with our cleared area in the middle it feels like it could be 50 acres because you can only see so far through the trees. We have two neighbours that border on our property to the east and north and a guy across the road and you can't see anybodies houses and is dead private, but if you were on 10 acres of field you feel way more encroached upon and it would feel much smaller than our property which is a quarter of that size.
    This. My bro has 6 acres and its huge and all but because that community is not like the normal acreage where its all private and treed it really doesnt feel as big as youd think. The whole community is basically houses on 2-4 acre lots with just grass in between so no privacy.
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    and I did not have the only say in the matter (most people just want it done ASAP and don't care about quality).
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    If anything we made a better decision because we had a consensus and were all on the same page.

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    This. My bro has 6 acres and its huge and all but because that community is not like the normal acreage where its all private and treed it really doesnt feel as big as youd think. The whole community is basically houses on 2-4 acre lots with just grass in between so no privacy.
    What amazes me is some of these estate lots that are massive don't have fences between them, it's just grass for ages. I guess if you don't have animals its fine but it just seems like so much wasted unused space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjblair View Post
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    There's not much chance you can build a house of any decent quality far from the city for <$300/sqft with utilities/sewer already in place. If you are doing true greenfield construction, it will add easily mid 5 figures to that cost to get water surveys, drill wells, get electricity, dig septic. I would suggest talking to some builders that do acreage work, take whatever quotes they give you, then add 15-20% to give you a reasonable baseline.

    All in all, I think this is a great idea (except maybe the seniors having to do long drives to appointments - that should be a major consideration), but it is not cheap to build new in the middle of nowhere.
    ^^^ Read this again.

    There's a bunch of lots/land available at seemingly low cost for specific reasons - there's areas around here where well & septic options are virtually impossible (without insane investment). Trucking water in / waste out can get insanely expensive. Watch for cisterns on neighboring properties - if they all have cisterns - probably means they couldn't get a well (or water is nasty)

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    There's also the occasional issue out here with wood foundations. I know nothing more about this other than it spoiled two deals when my friend was shopping for an acreage property.

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    What about prefab for a home? I don't know much about them but being built in a controlled environment has to have its advantages. Not to mention they don't exactly look like modular homes of the past, some of them these days you would never know they weren't built on site.

    Something else to think about.

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    I think prefab is a great option for a rural property.

    That or buying someone’s inner city tear down for pennies on the dollar.
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    This. My bro has 6 acres and its huge and all but because that community is not like the normal acreage where its all private and treed it really doesnt feel as big as youd think. The whole community is basically houses on 2-4 acre lots with just grass in between so no privacy.
    This post triggered me. Fucking spoiled Canadians living on 4acre lots saying theres no "privacy". You need to live in Asia for a few years lol
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    Living in Asia is a fate no one should have to endure.

    If they like it so much why do they keep coming here.
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    Living in Asia is a fate no one should have to endure.

    If they like it so much why do they keep coming here.
    Even for Canadian standards, living on a 4 acre lot and saying "no privacy", deserves a slap in the face.
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    I don’t think 4 acre is anywhere near as big as you think it is.

    You are likely only a few hundred feel away from your neighbor’s house.

    That’s not nessecarily all that private at all, especially in the prairies. You can probably make out your wife blowing the neighbor in their living room form your porch.

    4 acres is really just enough to have a lot of grass to mow.
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    I don’t think 4 acre is anywhere near as big as you think it is.

    You are likely only a few hundred feel away from your neighbor’s house.

    That’s not nessecarily all that private at all, especially in the prairies. You can probably make out your wife blowing the neighbor in their living room form your porch.

    4 acres is really just enough to have a lot of grass to mow.
    That is true. Not enough grass to keep the live-in gardener busy. Forgot we are all billionaires here.
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    I don’t think 4 acre is anywhere near as big as you think it is.

    You are likely only a few hundred feel away from your neighbor’s house.

    That’s not nessecarily all that private at all, especially in the prairies. You can probably make out your wife blowing the neighbor in their living room form your porch.

    4 acres is really just enough to have a lot of grass to mow.
    Yeah 4 acres is only 400'x436'. I'm out on the farm right now looking out the window, and if there was a house on the other side of the yard it would feel awfully close.
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    Unless your area is heavily treed you will definitely notice your neighbors on 4 acres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_Of_Rotary View Post
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    This post triggered me. Fucking spoiled Canadians living on 4acre lots saying theres no "privacy". You need to live in Asia for a few years lol
    Hey bud, please accept my apologies on posting my opinions about acreages in an acreage thread, it was not my intention to "trigger" you in anyway and i feel horrible that i got you that mad. I'll definitely be a little more careful about what i say on public forums as i know there's a lot of sensitive snowflakes floating around. I hope this doesn't trigger/upset/offend you in anyway but you should try and not take the interwebz so seriously. Hope you have a better day





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    I don’t think 4 acre is anywhere near as big as you think it is.

    You are likely only a few hundred feel away from your neighbor’s house.

    That’s not nessecarily all that private at all, especially in the prairies. You can probably make out your wife blowing the neighbor in their living room form your porch.

    4 acres is really just enough to have a lot of grass to mow.
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    Yeah 4 acres is only 400'x436'. I'm out on the farm right now looking out the window, and if there was a house on the other side of the yard it would feel awfully close.
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    Unless your area is heavily treed you will definitely notice your neighbors on 4 acres.
    Guys can you please just stop acting like spoiled canadians before you get slapped
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    and I did not have the only say in the matter (most people just want it done ASAP and don't care about quality).
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    If anything we made a better decision because we had a consensus and were all on the same page.

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    What about prefab for a home? I don't know much about them but being built in a controlled environment has to have its advantages. Not to mention they don't exactly look like modular homes of the past, some of them these days you would never know they weren't built on site.

    Something else to think about.
    Yah my wife is actually interested in the HO5 from https://www.honomobo.com/ca/home so that thought has definitely crossed my mind. Wife and I went to look at some properties and many of them are so disappointing. We will keep looking. Have been looking at the Rocky View county land use bylaws and noticed something interesting:

    For a plot of land with R-RUR designation it says:

    PERMITTED USES:
    Accessory building < 190m2
    Dwelling, Single Detached
    Beekeeping

    DISCRETIONARY USES:
    Accessory Dwelling Unit
    etc etc


    It states this:

    ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT
    122 Accessory Dwelling Unit General Requirements:
    Where an Accessory Dwelling Unit is not located within another Dwelling Unit, it shall be considered part of
    the total building area of an accessory building,
    Accessory Dwelling Units shall:
    i. Be constructed on a permanent foundation,
    ii. Comply with the regulations in the applicable District,
    iii. Not exceed a gross floor area of 150 m2
    (1614.59 ft2
    ),
    iv. Include sleeping, sanitary, and cooking facilities,
    v. Provide a minimum of one dedicated on-site parking stall, and
    vi. Have a distinct County address to facilitate accurate emergency response.
    123 Accessory Dwelling Unit Site Requirements:
    A parcel shall be limited to one Accessory Dwelling Unit, unless otherwise stated in a given District.
    124 Accessory Dwelling Unit Development Permit Requirements:
    A Development Permit application will respond to Section 122 and 123 and further set out:
    i. The architectural character of the Accessory Dwelling Unit,
    ii. The location and setbacks of the Accessory Dwelling Unit,
    iii. Amenity space for the Accessory Dwelling Unit, and
    iv. Any landscaping or screening

    Looking at this, it seems like you can have a secondary Dwelling unit on this type of property? It also looks like if you do have a secondary dwelling unit...you can't have a shop? This part of the description is what confuses me "it shall be considered part of the total building area of an accessory building,"

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    I would suggest phoning them. The guy I talked to about this was very helpful.

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    Step 1: Completed. Just under 4 acres. Has GAS/Electricity/Phone(lol)/Water (10gpm) on site. Long lot. Plan is to build houses on opposing ends of the lot. Confirmed with country that I can have accessory Dwelling building. Just outside of the city. Originally were thinking further out but ended up getting closer, that way wife can continue to work her current place and I can work in the city easier as well should I ever have to go back to the office. Plan to start building next year.

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    Just East of the city on the SE edge it looks like?

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