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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    The title of this thread could be “Air Canada employees feelings are hurt”
    Has a nice ring to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    The title of this thread could be “Air Canada employees feelings are hurt”
    That's the current worlds problem, everyone has hurt feelings when someone doesn't see their point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brucebanner View Post
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    That's the current worlds problem, everyone has hurt feelings when someone doesn't care about their point of view.
    FTFY

    I can see their biased point of view, I just don’t care
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kg810 View Post
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    Oh! oh! I know this one. Is it Critical Theory? No wait. Is it Socioeconomics? Or was it Wokeconomics? Maybe it's Marth.
    In the context of this thread, it's "bureaucracy". Am I doing it right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjblair View Post
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    In the context of this thread, it's "bureaucracy". Am I doing it right?
    Freakonomics
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    I ain't worried 'bout it right now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    The world is FAR more complex than "the government is the solution to every problem".
    Nobody's suggesting it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    Nobody's suggesting it is.
    Have you ever suggest anything but the government as a solution to every problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Have you ever suggest anything but the government as a solution to every problem?
    Yes.

    Just because you get upset at things like 'airlines don't operate in a free market so it isn't in the country's best economic interest to be the first to drop protectionism because of a pandemic', or 'increased reliance of private health services doesn't result in a reduction public healthcare spending', or 'allowing construction of bike lanes provides a means for more efficient spending on transportation infrastructure' doesn't mean it's a suggestion that the government is a solution to every problem.

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    I’d love to see an example where you have advocated for anything but more government as a solution to any problem.

    None come to mind.

    I’m pretty sure it would break you to make such a suggestion. To even insinuate that your blind faith in government intervention could ever lead to anything but the best result.

    Regardless of whatever brand of mental gymnastics you are using to justify shitty government programs this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    I’d love to see an example where you have advocated for anything but more government as a solution to any problem.

    None come to mind.

    I’m pretty sure it would break you to make such a suggestion. To even insinuate that your blind faith in government intervention could ever lead to anything but the best result.

    Regardless of whatever brand of mental gymnastics you are using to justify shitty government programs this week.
    It's unfortunate that Kert's views are basically down-the-middle-of-the-fairway Canadian views. Most Canadians feel the way that he does about a nanny state. It's the main reason Canada is rather pathetic, but I don't really expect to change it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    It's unfortunate that Kert's views are basically down-the-middle-of-the-fairway Canadian views. Most Canadians feel the way that he does about a nanny state. It's the main reason Canada is rather pathetic, but I don't really expect to change it.
    This thread is a prime example of how Canadians think they need government because government because they need government because government…

    As long as everything is obfuscated by successive bad government policy the merry go round keeps turning, somehow.

    Really, we should just blame Harper or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx Mazda View Post
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    Would love to hear your analysis.

    #1 cost for an airline: The planes.
    #2 cost for an airline: The planes.
    #3 cost for an airline: The planes.
    #4 cost for an airline: The planes.
    #5 cost for an airline: The planes.
    #6 cost for an airline: The planes.

    Can't cover the cost of the planes? You're fucked.

    Everything else is manageable. But every time you purchase a plane, you're basically hoping to jebus that it's going to be utilized enough for the next 25 years. yippee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    I’d love to see an example where you have advocated for anything but more government as a solution to any problem.

    None come to mind.
    Solution for the arena funding issue? No government money to it.

    Want to start up a private school? Government should have no involvement and certainly no funding.

    Multi-billion dollar roads project with no business case or user projections? Keep hands out of taxpayer pocket, why should I pay for roads somebody else will use?!

    Zoning? Why should your desire to live in a single-detached affect a land-owner's right to build a fourplex next door?

    Parking minimums. FUUUUUUCK that.

    Business permit access and commercial space minimums are an absolute mess

    The government shouldn't be creating PR firms for private companies that already have lobbyists and their own organizations to deal with PR.

    To name a few.


    Where I feel the government is a solution, is for things where private money is unwilling to take risk because returns are too low, but the results are beneficial to society (helping covert to cleaner fuel sources, upgrading utilities, enforcing safety standards), or entry barriers remain high enough to likely result in oligopolies, things where equitable access and quality is the most important factor for society than the direct business case for them, etc.

    You also mistake explaining the 'why' of things as an endorsement of it, which is weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntan View Post
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    #1 cost for an airline: The planes.
    #2 cost for an airline: The planes.
    #3 cost for an airline: The planes.
    #4 cost for an airline: The planes.
    #5 cost for an airline: The planes.
    #6 cost for an airline: The planes.

    Can't cover the cost of the planes? You're fucked.

    Everything else is manageable. But every time you purchase a plane, you're basically hoping to jebus that it's going to be utilized enough for the next 25 years. yippee.
    Imagine if an airline had to pay actual market price for these planes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benyl View Post
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    There are so many contributing costs and revenues.

    For instance, YYJ may not have many direct flights to where residents want to go and they end up connecting at YVR or YYC. An airline will likely keep a feeder route from YYJ to YYC even if the flight is losing money because it fills the YYC to XXX flight.

    The cost of the flight is dependent on the aircraft being operated. Airport fees are different for a Q400 vs a 787. Some airports have bridge fees, some don't.

    You also need to spray out the costs of the back office, maintenance of aircraft and a myriad of other costs.

    Airlines in Canada are a super low margin business. I think before WJ went private, they basically made $5 per passenger. So 150 passengers on a plane = $750 for that flight. When they give away a free bag, suddenly $720.

    The problem with the airline business in Canada is that save for YVR to YYC, YYC to YYZ and maybe YVR to YYZ, there is no demand. Wanna know why it costs so much to go to the Maritimes? Cause no one really wants to go.
    We never thought of it like that.

    Because the fixed costs are so high, basically you'd simply consider the last few passengers on each flight as operating profit. On a typical flight only the last 7-8 passengers made the company money. You'd know if you were losing money on a flight if, say, it was only booked 126 passengers.

    Most everything was broken down as "passenger miles", that way you could account for fuel usage properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    Solution for the arena funding issue? No government money to it.

    Want to start up a private school? Government should have no involvement and certainly no funding.

    Multi-billion dollar roads project with no business case or user projections? Keep hands out of taxpayer pocket, why should I pay for roads somebody else will use?!

    Zoning? Why should your desire to live in a single-detached affect a land-owner's right to build a fourplex next door?

    Parking minimums. FUUUUUUCK that.

    Business permit access and commercial space minimums are an absolute mess

    The government shouldn't be creating PR firms for private companies that already have lobbyists and their own organizations to deal with PR.

    To name a few.


    Where I feel the government is a solution, is for things where private money is unwilling to take risk because returns are too low, but the results are beneficial to society (helping covert to cleaner fuel sources, upgrading utilities, enforcing safety standards), or entry barriers remain high enough to likely result in oligopolies, things where equitable access and quality is the most important factor for society than the direct business case for them, etc.

    You also mistake explaining the 'why' of things as an endorsement of it, which is weird.
    Look at you, you capitalist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    Solution for the arena funding issue? No government money to it.

    Want to start up a private school? Government should have no involvement and certainly no funding.

    Multi-billion dollar roads project with no business case or user projections? Keep hands out of taxpayer pocket, why should I pay for roads somebody else will use?!

    Zoning? Why should your desire to live in a single-detached affect a land-owner's right to build a fourplex next door?

    Parking minimums. FUUUUUUCK that.

    Business permit access and commercial space minimums are an absolute mess

    The government shouldn't be creating PR firms for private companies that already have lobbyists and their own organizations to deal with PR.

    To name a few.


    Where I feel the government is a solution, is for things where private money is unwilling to take risk because returns are too low, but the results are beneficial to society (helping covert to cleaner fuel sources, upgrading utilities, enforcing safety standards), or entry barriers remain high enough to likely result in oligopolies, things where equitable access and quality is the most important factor for society than the direct business case for them, etc.

    You also mistake explaining the 'why' of things as an endorsement of it, which is weird.
    Got it.

    You want government to pay for and protect the shit that’s important to you, but are happy being hypocritical when it comes to shit you don’t support.

    Standard self interested stance as everyone else.
    Last edited by killramos; 05-04-2021 at 02:30 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Got it.

    You want government to pay for and protect the shit that’s important to you, but are happy being hypocritical when it comes to shit you don’t support.

    Standard self interested stance as everyone else.
    The stuff I support is cheaper, so my self interested stance is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    The stuff I support is cheaper, so my self interested stance is better.
    Just think how much cheaper the stuff would be exposed to market pricing rather than government interventionist inflationary measures.

    So the real capitalists, are still cheaper yet, which by your definition is better-er.
    Last edited by killramos; 05-04-2021 at 02:56 PM.
    Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Got it.

    You want government to pay for and protect the shit that’s important to you, but are happy being hypocritical when it comes to shit you don’t support.

    Standard self interested stance as everyone else.
    It's strange that you needed it explained to you in detail that Kert works on the same framework of decision making as everyone else, including you.

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