Get ready for the bailout - Air Transat merger with Air Canada cancelled

[Antonito]

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Either Canada is a place it’s worth running an airline in, or it’s not.

Some Canadian shitholes just need to cut the entitlement and realize that their 200 dollar flights to cancun don’t go nearly far enough to justify their existent. Pretending to matter is such a Canadian falacy.

The trick would be how to get this into effect. Liberals are never fans of reducing government interference, and I don't think the Conservatives are going to love the idea of telling the majority of their voters that they don't matter and need to move to the big city

[killramos]

The sooner people figure out they don’t matter as a general statement the better.

[kertejud2]

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The sooner people figure out they don’t matter as a general statement the better.

Hopefully the message starts with consumers, then things will start making a lot more sense to people.

[Buster]

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Hopefully the message starts with taxpayers, then things will start making a lot more sense to people.

Fixed

[Maxx Mazda]

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Why doesn't WestJet run a LAX-NYC route (maybe see what deal they can get from EWR if JFK is too busy)? Or LAX-SFO? Enough demand to try and get a competitive route in there, provide some cheaper alternatives, not be so reliant on the Canadian market.

The same reason why United can’t run a Toronto-Vancouver route. It’s a fifth freedom route.

But don’t tell that to killramos, he seems to think that if AC and WJ go tits up, there would be some American airline with a “sustainable business model” ready to swoop in. Never mind that US airlines got billions more than Canadian ones in terms of government assistance.

[Buster]

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The same reason why United can’t run a Toronto-Vancouver route. It’s a fifth freedom route.

But don’t tell that to killramos, he seems to think that if AC and WJ go tits up, there would be some American airline with a “sustainable business model” ready to swoop in. Never mind that US airlines got billions more than Canadian ones in terms of government assistance.

Why would United going tits up eliminate demand for a Toronto/ Vancouver route?

[Maxx Mazda]

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Why would United going tits up eliminate demand for a Toronto/ Vancouver route?

It wouldn’t. They aren’t allowed to fly domestically within Canada. Just like a Canadian airline isn’t allowed to fly domestically within the USA. Some exemptions apply, such as NHL charter flights etc.

[killramos]

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The same reason why United can’t run a Toronto-Vancouver route. It’s a fifth freedom route.

But don’t tell that to killramos, he seems to think that if AC and WJ go tits up, there would be some American airline with a “sustainable business model” ready to swoop in. Never mind that US airlines got billions more than Canadian ones in terms of government assistance.

So your big solution is throw up your hands in the air and throw money at Air Canada? Despite the fact that even after a year of their business being shut down they don’t even need it?

“We need to protect Air Canada with more government because government has made us require Air Canada”

I think we need to rename Stockholm syndrome to Canadian syndrome.

[Buster]

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It wouldn’t. They aren’t allowed to fly domestically within Canada. Just like a Canadian airline isn’t allowed to fly domestically within the USA. Some exemptions apply, such as NHL charter flights etc.

If there is a demand for that route, someone will service that demand. There is no benefit to forcing that supplier to be "Canadian". Let foreign airlines subsidized by their govt bring their services to Canada. The winner is the Canadian consumer.

[kertejud2]

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So your big solution is throw up your hands in the air and throw money at Air Canada? Despite the fact that even after a year of their business being shut down they don’t even need it?

“We need to protect Air Canada with more government because government has made us require Air Canada”

I think we need to rename Stockholm syndrome to Canadian syndrome.

We're just emulating the U.S. The real Canadian syndrome.

They bailout their airline industry, we follow. Gotta keep the producers happy.

[killramos]

So we have to give Air Canada money because Donald Trump made us? Anyone else you want to blame for our industry sucking?

[ExtraSlow]

I'm super excited for when we bail out our coal miners because China said so.

[killramos]

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I'm super excited for when we bail out our coal miners because China said so.

I think I’m really onto something with the Russia China test.

[Buster]

Hey guyz we can only have free markets if the Americans say we are allowed.

[kertejud2]

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So we have to give Air Canada money because Donald Trump made us? Anyone else you want to blame for our industry sucking?

Does our industry particularly suck? Seems like it’s going about the same as their competitors.

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If there is a demand for that route, someone will service that demand. There is no benefit to forcing that supplier to be "Canadian". Let foreign airlines subsidized by their govt bring their services to Canada. The winner is the Canadian consumer.

Maybe in some cases the consumer wins, but in others they don’t. United would love to come in and fly just the profitable Vancouver to Toronto route. However they have no interest in running the smaller unprofitable ones. If the government removed protectionism and allowed foreign carriers to take away market share on Canadian airline bread and butter routes, many small communities would see their air service price skyrocket or cease to exist.

[Antonito]

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Hey guyz we can only have free markets if the Americans say we are allowed.

Ah yes the free market solution of having a government subsidized company come in and dominate a market. Funny how saving a few bucks is enough to get you to become a communist

[Buster]

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Ah yes the free market solution of having a government subsidized company come in and dominate a market. Funny how saving a few bucks is enough to get you to become a communist

If a foreign firm, subsidized by their gov't/taxpayers, wants to enter the market in Canada, then I would have no problem with that. That's a transfer of wealth from foreign citizens to our citizens.

[Buster]

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Maybe in some cases the consumer wins, but in others they don’t. United would love to come in and fly just the profitable Vancouver to Toronto route. However they have no interest in running the smaller unprofitable ones. If the government removed protectionism and allowed foreign carriers to take away market share on Canadian airline bread and butter routes, many small communities would see their air service price skyrocket or cease to exist.

Why should a consumer of a Van-Tor flight be forced to subsidize the flights of others?

[Maxx Mazda]

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If there is a demand for that route, someone will service that demand. There is no benefit to forcing that supplier to be "Canadian". Let foreign airlines subsidized by their govt bring their services to Canada. The winner is the Canadian consumer.

No they won’t. They can’t. It’s against the law, like I said above (with certain exceptions.) It’s the same reason AC or WJ can’t launch a LA-Fort Lauderdale route. If it’s entirely within another country, it’s verboten for a foreign carrier to fly that flight. It’s not just the USA and Canada either. It’s applied globally by the international air transport association. (IATA)

So, that leaves only another Canadian carrier to come in and start serving routes. There are already dozens of smaller airlines doing that.