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    Default Alberta to introduce motion for proposed equalization referendum Monday

    https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...erendum-monday

    If passed, Albertans would be asked as part of the October municipal election whether they think the section dealing with equalization payments should be removed from the Canadian constitution — something Alberta doesn’t actually have the power to do on its own.

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    ‘Man who was part of cabinet that approved the equalization formula wants to remove it, knowing full well the federal government will be able to spend that money as it pleases anyway, with the only difference that it wouldn’t be bound by a formula determining how much money to give to a specific province.’

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    Ol’ Kert “you can’t change things because you can’t” to the rescue
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    This is about making the upcoming municipal election as partisan as ever and to divert eyes from the sky palace dinner they had last week.

    There is no way anyone from Senate or O'Toole's party will back this.

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    kert isn't wrong. It's political grandstanding, but likely will meet the Alberta UCP's aims of deflecting criticism upwards, which is a pretty effective tactic, just ask Naheed Nenshi.

    That being said, it's hard to image any way in which a referendum supporting a change to the equalization forumlas could harm Alberta, so I'd support it.
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    That being said, it's hard to image any way in which a referendum supporting a change to the equalization forumlas could harm Alberta, so I'd support it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Ol’ Kert “you can’t change things because you can’t” to the rescue
    They could change it, but it just wouldn’t mean any difference for Alberta. And Kenney knows it as well as anyone.

    Equalization is tied to a formula. Take away equalization, the feds still have the same amount of money, only now don’t have a formula dictating how the money needs to be allocated. They could give even more to Quebec than equalization dictated, by giving less to the other have nots. Could give more to buy votes in Ontario, when for the longest time the formula didn’t allow for that pool of money to be spent in Ontario. And so on.

    By voting yes, you’re voting to give the federal government more power in dictating how wealth is redistributed, which is fucking hilarious to think about.

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    Your outright and proud submissiveness to tyranny and injustice across all things is truly beyond pathetic.
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    Something like albertans pay an average of 12000 a year in federal tax each year and only $6000 of it is spent in Alberta

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    Something like albertans pay an average of 12000 a year in federal tax each year and only $6000 of it is spent in Alberta
    Don’t worry Kert says we should be thankful to our Laurentien overlords we get that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    They could change it, but it just wouldn’t mean any difference for Alberta. And Kenney knows it as well as anyone.

    Equalization is tied to a formula. Take away equalization, the feds still have the same amount of money, only now don’t have a formula dictating how the money needs to be allocated. They could give even more to Quebec than equalization dictated, by giving less to the other have nots. Could give more to buy votes in Ontario, when for the longest time the formula didn’t allow for that pool of money to be spent in Ontario. And so on.

    By voting yes, you’re voting to give the federal government more power in dictating how wealth is redistributed, which is fucking hilarious to think about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    They could change it, but it just wouldn’t mean any difference for Alberta. And Kenney knows it as well as anyone.

    Equalization is tied to a formula. Take away equalization, the feds still have the same amount of money, only now don’t have a formula dictating how the money needs to be allocated. They could give even more to Quebec than equalization dictated, by giving less to the other have nots. Could give more to buy votes in Ontario, when for the longest time the formula didn’t allow for that pool of money to be spent in Ontario. And so on.

    By voting yes, you’re voting to give the federal government more power in dictating how wealth is redistributed, which is fucking hilarious to think about.
    3+1=4
    2+2=4

    Weird how a formula can change and yet you get the same result with one of the variables adding less to the overall outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    Something like albertans pay an average of 12000 a year in federal tax each year and only $6000 of it is spent in Alberta
    Maybe that’s what the referendum should be about.

    But it’s not. Because it isn’t actually about doing anything good for Alberta, it’s just distraction for people too ignorant to know how budgets work.

    Remember, this referendum is not only brought to you by the same guy who helped to implement this equalization formula, but also ensured more provincial money went to the federal government by ceding control of the carbon tax, even after the challenges to it were lost.

    This question does nothing to change how much money Alberta sends to or gets from the federal government.

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    “lol people don’t know how budgets work”

    Sincerely - the people who think capital expenditures don’t count as spending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vengie View Post
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    3+1=4
    2+2=4

    Weird how a formula can change and yet you get the same result with one of the variables adding less to the overall outcome.
    Who’s adding less? That isn’t what the referendum is about. With or without equalization the feds receive the same amount of taxes. Equalization is an equation on how federal taxes are distributed, not received.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    Maybe that’s what the referendum should be about.

    But it’s not. Because it isn’t actually about doing anything good for Alberta, it’s just distraction for people too ignorant to know how budgets work.

    Remember, this referendum is not only brought to you by the same guy who helped to implement this equalization formula, but also ensured more provincial money went to the federal government by ceding control of the carbon tax, even after the challenges to it were lost.

    This question does nothing to change how much money Alberta sends to or gets from the federal government.
    Are you capable of an interesting discussion or only pedantic ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    Are you capable of an interesting discussion or only pedantic ones?
    Was that a rhetorical question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    Are you capable of an interesting discussion or only pedantic ones?
    I’m interested in why you would want to remove a spending check on the federal government that limits the money they can send to Ontario and Quebec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    I’m interested in why you would want to remove a spending check on the federal government that limits the money they can send to Ontario and Quebec.
    The idea is to remove the money that they send to Ontario and Quebec. Let me rephrase the question: pretend for a moment you were hired to make that happen. How would you do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    Who’s adding less? That isn’t what the referendum is about. With or without equalization the feds receive the same amount of taxes. Equalization is an equation on how federal taxes are distributed, not received.
    In this case, Alberta would add less, as the new formula should take into account previously exempt industries such as Hydro.

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