Canada bans ICE car sales by 2035

[ZenOps]

The main thing I'm looking at are prices and availability for ICE replacement parts. Its tough enough to get components to make a new ICE car considering the thousands of specialized parts and fluids that it needs.

Will this create a mini-boom for ICE repair people as they can basically charge whatever they want for the one component that a customer needs, or will the consumer simply throw up their hands and chuck the ICE engine in the dustbin of history. I mean, its like "gold rush" all over again, where if you want an o-ring shipped to alaska, its going to cost you $300.

[mr2mike]

Answer: They'll make it tough on ICE vehicle owners.
Economics will then do the opposite. Taxes then imposed to control it.

I see a Swiss vote on climate change basically went unpublished in Canada. 51% votes against climate action due to raising costs for all.

Swiss voters look to reject law to help cut carbon emissions
https://financialpost.com/pmn/busine...rbon-emissions


Meanwhile in Canada:
The federal government also has a full catalogue of regulations and subsidies, each with its own price tag.
These include clean fuel standards, electric-vehicle subsidies, carbon capture and storage tax credits, corporate tax rate reductions for zero-emission technologies, building retrofit subsidies, and so on.
Budget 2021 alone lists over 35 measures costing $8.75 billion over the next five years.
But those 35 measures are just the tip of a massive iceberg.
Every provincial and municipal government has its own regulations and is adding to them almost constantly.
Worldwide, the energy transition will cost trillions of dollars – perhaps as much as five per cent of global GDP, according to the International Renewable Energy Agency.
Investors in new green technologies are not the only ones licking their chops.
So is the financial sector, which will benefit immensely from funding new infrastructure.

Someone will have to pick up the tab for all this, either with higher prices or new taxes.
Giant food companies recently committed to various environmentally friendly policies with the expectation that costs can be shifted forward to consumers through higher prices.
Regulations such as the clean fuel standard will be costly to administer, resulting in higher energy costs.
From this article: https://financialpost.com/opinion/ja...te-policy-cost

[davidI]

I'm just happy that environmentally-friendly strip mining will replace all of those nasty oil wells.

[mr2mike]

Haha yeah!
No one talks about the copper open pit mine in Montana.

[killramos]

Everyone knows carbon dioxide is the only dangerous pollutant.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Everyone knows carbon dioxide is the only dangerous pollutant.

It's toxic, you know!

[mr2mike]

Even France just voted down enacting Climate change into their constitution as it may hinder French business.

[ZenOps]

That is assuming everyone wants an electric car similar to a gas vehicle.

I mean realistically, if you want a 30 pound vehicle to move a 200 pound human 10 miles at 15.5 mph using 1/4 KW electricity (roughly two cents): Lime and Bird have already proven its possible.

Hongguang mini EV might become more popular. It might even be slightly too big.

Is it really sustainable to go to the gas station to buy $100 worth of gas to go to home depot to buy two sheets of plywood at $100 apiece? Consumption for the sake of consumption may have been good for Buzz in 1960, but even he is realizing now that it may have been just a little bit too expensive.

[ExtraSlow]

I will take a chiangli kthxbye.

[AndyL]

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...nd-territories

has this been posted yet? Apparently EV users dislike victoria's (australia) plan to check odometers and charge road taxes.

what a surprise

[ZenOps]

If you are talking purely from a chemical standpoint: Carbon is used at a rate of 43 Billion tons per year, of which approximately 45 Billion tons is produced.

About 96% of production is immediately consumed for use, and maybe 2% is put aside as a buffer in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve or piled up as low grade lignite.

Metals in a battery can be recycled by simply throwing it in a hot furnace, but carbon released by an ICE engine is non-recoverable. 43 Billion tons per year converted from liquid and rock into the atmosphere without some sort of side effect is a tough sell.

A million tons seems small by comparison. A moon rocket uses 20 tons per second.

[ZenOps]

As for efficiency: 96% for electric to 21% combustion is a good selling point.

But what is even crazier is that even on a $300 30-pound scooter you can put in electronic regenerative braking for pennies. Recovering half of your energy instead of losing it all to the brake pads as friction simply puts electric head and shoulders above combustion.

If they can figure how to get even more efficiency out of regenerative braking, simply going downhill might be enough to put an extra hundred miles on an electric car.

As with HDTV's, electronics have the weird way of getting better, faster and bigger for less expensive year on year.

[Xtrema]

Birth country of Paris Climate Agreements say they may not be banning ICE by 2035

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/07/13/...mbustion-2035/

[msommers]

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I'm just happy that environmentally-friendly strip mining will replace all of those nasty oil wells.

"Everyone knows that mining is more environmentally friendly than drilling for hydrocarbons." -Everyone from BC, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec.

[ZenOps]

And just imagine, half of that complexity and 1,000 of those parts was probably to improve rotational efficiency from 20% to 20.5%.

Electric motor? Properly magnetically suspended on a solid metal core? 50 years without a drop of oil needed.

[ZenOps]

This does make me wonder how much of an aftermarket there is for simply gutting combustion engines.

Say you have a Bugatti, with perfectly maintained tires and bodywork, but the engine has been unrepairable for years because of being unable to troubleshoot, and then the inevitable decay and then availability of parts, which makes it near impossible to get running again. How much flak in the greater car enthusiast community would there be if they simply cut out the engine and put in a 80 hp electric? I can imagine the shock value would be extreme.

https://www.secretentourage.com/life...-of-ownership/

"In conclusion, the true cost of ownership of the Bugatti Veyron is almost the same price as buying and throwing away one used F430 Spyder each year you own it"

There would have to be safety checks all over the place, because most "ordinary" combustion cars would not be able to handle the torque of a cheap electric.

[suntan]

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"Everyone knows that mining is more environmentally friendly than drilling for hydrocarbons." -Everyone from BC, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec.

People really don't understand how metals are extracted. Esp. for anything non-magnetic it's an environmental travesty.

[Disoblige]

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People really don't understand how metals are extracted. Esp. for anything non-magnetic it's an environmental travesty.

We aren't nipping this at the bud enough. Remove the problem, Earth is saved.

*snap*

[killramos]

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We aren't nipping this at the bud enough. Remove the problem, Earth is saved.

*snap*

[mr2mike]

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People really don't understand how metals are extracted. Esp. for anything non-magnetic it's an environmental travesty.

The simpletons do. Not in my backyard. No problem. I gots a new Tesla discounted with government subsidies.