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    Default Two working parents damages chldren - Daycare is evil?

    Further to the discussion in the Federal Budget thread, apparently sending both parents to work has been shown to be damaging to children's mental health? I don't know much about much, so I'll stand back and try to get educated. Too late for my kids sadly. Oh well.

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    Your kids are ded
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    It only works better if the stay at home parent is mentally healthy themselves, and keeps the kid socialized as well.
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    I think what has been really well studied is that being reasonably wealthy is better for kids academic and financial outcomes, so having the financial flexibility to have one parent stay at home is probably well correlated there.
    Two working parents is a mix of families that are quite well off, and those who are struggling financially. No idea which is more prevalent.
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    It only works better if the stay at home parent is mentally healthy themselves, and keeps the kid socialized as well.
    This is a big one. My wife suffered from moderate to severe PPD, and while we had the finances to have her stay home, it wasn't going to work for her. She needed that adult interaction, and quite frankly, a respite from the children, to stay healthy. I think anyone who has both the money and ability to stay home with the kids for a few years is very lucky in multiple ways.
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    Anecdote evidence,

    I have 4 nephews/niece who are in teens and parents are mostly checked out on the raising kids process (workaholic or just plain lazy assholes).

    2 were basically raised by grandparents and 2 were raised by basically rotating list of Filipino nannies.

    Only 1 of 4 seems to have a level head or doing well in school.


    As for that argument about productivity and childcare cost and how much government should spend on it, it really depends on how one country want to promote birth rate or strictly rely on immigration to keep economy going.

    After all, the demographic collapse in China (and most developed worlds) is mostly due to high cost raising a kid with 0 to little government support.
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    Clearly the solution is to put the kid in a coal mine so that one of the parents can take a day off.
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    I've never really understood paying someone else to raise your kids when it takes most of your income.... if you have 2 or more kids that need a sitter, is it even financially beneficial for the average person to work? It's just taking time away from your family so you can pay someone else to raise them.. I was lucky that my mother had a job that allowed her to babysit for us for free, i don't know how the average person does it.
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    Depends if your career has any value to you aside from a pay check.
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    I've never really understood paying someone else to raise your kids when it takes most of your income.... if you have 2 or more kids that need a sitter, is it even financially beneficial for the average person to work? It's just taking time away from your family so you can pay someone else to raise them.. I was lucky that my mother had a job that allowed her to babysit for us for free, i don't know how the average person does it.
    1 have to walk away from a career. Hope that most has sorted that out before their 1st kid. As my cousin's example above, one of their wage basically pays the Filipino nanny and may have just a bit of left over to spend on herself. Not everyone is suited to be a stay at home parent or wants to be.

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    Looking back, even if one of us wasn’t working, we’d still do daycare and pre school purely for the social aspects. You can easily which kids were stay at home till kindergarten or grade 1, it’s a massive adjustment for them to socialize and play well with other kids.

    We went with the nanny route initially with our 2nd, and glad it didn’t work out and switched to day care pretty early on.
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    I don't think daycare is evil. Daycare has its benefits. Rage2 made a good point that the child has to socialise with other kids.
    Daycare has benefits. I am not against daycare. I want to make that clear.

    My issue was if parents are working all the time and the role of government exploiting that.

    How do we have daycare without the federal government pushing this on a Marxist structure. Daycare existed before. Other cultures deal with this issue in different ways. Its not a new issue.

    The federal government creates the circumstances of the high cost of daycare as a result of high minimum wage. Then they can exploit this issue with taxation. The costs of good and services increase to pay the new tax. This effects the middle class and lower class. Reports are published encouraging both parties in the family to work as it is beneficial to the state. The word state being replaced with the word 'economy'. Then government says, 'hey you can work all the time and the government will look after your children'. This becomes embedded in the fabric of society now. Then parents have to work, now they are beholden to the state. This has elements of Marxism. How much do we allow the state into the family unit to dismantle it?

    What are the costs and implications to the children? I think there are huge implications that people are not aware of.


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    Sources? So that means every dual income family out there has a higher chance of their kids with psychological issues? First I’ve heard of this.
    Pulling from the other thread to answer the question as it is relevant.

    No not necessarily. It depends there are a number of factors. My point was if you are working a lot of the time. Who is raising your children? It does affect the child in many areas of discipline, role models and habits. This is not to say every duel income family will have issues. It wont.
    If state incentivises the dismantling of the family unit. Who is raising the children?

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    The federal government creates the circumstances of the high cost of daycare as a result of high minimum wage. Then they can exploit this issue with taxation. The costs of good and services increase to pay the new tax. This effects the middle class and lower class. Reports are published encouraging both parties in the family to work as it is beneficial to the state. The word state being replaced with the word 'economy'. Then government says, 'hey you can work all the time and the government will look after your children'. This becomes embedded in the fabric of society now. Then parents have to work, now they are beholden to the state. This has elements of Marxism. How much do we allow the state into the family unit to dismantle it?
    That's an interesting take.

    Child care cost are universally expensive. In Shanghai, the cheapest daycare is 3000 yuan in a city with a median income of 5000 yuan with fancy one can cost up to 10000 yuan if you want a preview what a true capitalist system looks like.

    Even China know they fuck up with low birth rate and is now accelerating subsidization of child care. Something Japan before them has been doing for decades.

    I think government subsidization is more of a symptom than cause. Almost everyone is now post secondary educated and some has a loan to pay back so they have to get into work force. Then you have to get a mortgage in a optimal child bearing age, will probably require 2 steady decent incomes to do so.

    So unless one partner is raking it in, or grandparent are willing to sub in, it's next to impossible to not involve daycare if you want kids.

    From my pov, the only government exploitation is that the market has moved a certain way to make child rearing expensive and throwing $ at child care is a easy way to buy votes comes every election cycle. Especially women voters.

    For reference, when I got out of school, I have 0 debt. Summer jobs were able to cover. Starter home was $100K and I made $42K/yr out of school. Now it's average of $28K debt after your bachelor, starter home is $300k and you are lucky if you can find starting job for $60K?

    How does that doesn't force people into the work force to start with?
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    I can afford for my wife to be a full time mom, but she (like many people) is overwhelmed by the single focus of 2 little kids. So, 1 of 'em (2yrs old) is in day care 3 days per week now to give partial relief, and she's watching the second kid (2 months old) full time, usually hanging out at her own Mom's house.
    As mentioned, I look at the socializing benefit being important and valuable with daycare. We'll be putting the youngest one in daycare asap, so my wife can have some relief from being a full time mom and hopefully get a job to help offset the ~ $2,000/month cost of 2x kids in daycare. Both kids will still get lots of family, extended family-time after work, weekends, and vacations.

    I was raised with 2 siblings by a full time mom, while my Dad worked. I don't think many people can cope with being a full time parent, unless they have no choice financially. At the same time, as the bread-winner, I often wish I could spend more time with my kids during the work-day. These early years are precious to me.

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    I’ve noticed that kids who have stay home parents seem to be social retards. Can’t interact well with other kids and have issues learning and being independent.

    My 2 cents

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    Plus at home, think of all the access to pop they have.
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    Plus at home, think of all the access to pop they have.
    I don't let my wife bring pop into the house. It's a matter of respect.
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    Prediction: inverse correlation between the strength of someone's opinion on this topic and the number of kids they have.

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    I wonder what the correlation is between kids whose mom stays home and pop drinking.

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