Alec Baldwin the murderer.

[Sentry]

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That’s not even close to what happened.

Some preliminary details here:
https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...walked-off-set

Sounds like that's precisely, exactly what happened. Unknowingly handed a loaded gun sure, but he pointed it at a person and pulled the trigger.

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Sounds like that's precisely, exactly what happened. Unknowingly handed a loaded gun sure, but he pointed it at a person and pulled the trigger.

Yeah, based on the article, at least two people failed to properly check the fire arm, and Baldwin failed to draw the weapon safely.

Tragic indeed. I imagine there will be some big fallout over this.

[suntan]

The memes are wonderfully inappropriate.

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The memes are wonderfully inappropriate.

I mean, there's no evidence that the dead person didn't have a great sense of humour. Maybe it's a fitting tribute?

[jacky4566]

At a minimum he might get charged with man slaughter which sucks.

Reading the reddit banter there is whole slew of weird things happening on that set.
A bunch of staff walked off in protest that morning.
A non union person loaded the guns.
The gun was used with live ammo between filming day.
Why was there live ammo on this set anyway?
People keep saying it was a blank but blanks don't go through people and injure the guy behind you.
Why was he ever aiming at a non-actor?

They should make a murder podcast about this! *Only Murders In the Building* is amazing and you all should watch it.

I hope this doesn't ruin his life too much Alec always seemed like a decent guy.

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Why was he ever aiming at a non-actor?

Possibly because they rarely film two actors shooting guns at eachother on screen at the same time. The shot is typically one person shooting. The other actor doesn't need to even be on set for that.

[killramos]

Yes they totally never point guns at cameras, where the cinematographer would be. Ever. Couldn’t think of a possible scenario.

[littledan]

The article said it was a gun with live ammo which doesnt make sense. It should be blank ammo. Did they mean the paper wad or something hit the cinematographer and not a bullet itself?

[killramos]

A paper wad went through 2 people?

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Sounds like that's precisely, exactly what happened. Unknowingly handed a loaded gun sure, but he pointed it at a person and pulled the trigger.

in the film/tv business, actors have to constantly point prop guns at other actors, and crew as well. So many TV/film shows, you see the actor pointing and firing at the screen and you the viewer - these shots are set up with the DP and camera operator frequently behind the camera, and not in the remote, so again, the crew also have prop guns fired in their direction due to this.

They HAVE to break 2 of the 4 safety rules as a matter of course, which is why safety and chain of custody of the prop weapons is SO important. These safety and custody rules were broken on this film set obviously, however you can't blame Baldwin, as big a loser as he is, for this, as he was doing his job, and that job isn't really subject to regular firearms safety rules due to its nature (as I stated).

While not my specific area of firearms expertise, I do have good friends in the film armorer business, one here in Calgary that was armorer for Hell on Wheels among many other films/shows. I've been on set watching a few times in the past too with another company, and I've seen the actors shooting at the camera crew (protected by perspex screens, but that won't stop a real bullet or solid projectile) with prop gun blanks for that "in your face" type of TV shot during gunfights.

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The article said it was a gun with live ammo which doesnt make sense. It should be blank ammo. Did they mean the paper wad or something hit the cinematographer and not a bullet itself?

Live ammo on film sets means real gun with blanks. Prop gun means fake gun.

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Live ammo on film sets means real gun with blanks. Prop gun means fake gun.

Not necessarily, there are movie/film prop guns designed to fire only blanks/film safe rounds, that won't even accept real ammunition into their magazine, cylinder, or bore. Frequently in these cases, obstructions can get into the bores from the muzzle end or what have you, and these can fly out at pretty substantial fps speeds, enough to wound/kill.

Also, sometimes real firearms ARE on set, even with live ammunition (from lazy companies), as the " camera shot" will show the open cylinder of a single action revolver say, and they DP/director wants the shot to look realistic, hence real looking ammunition which the viewer can see in the open cylinder. IMO when this is done it should always be with prepared and checked dummy rounds with no primer or powder, and NOT live rounds, but again...laziness. Perhaps in this Baldwin incident, it is a case where such a thing was happening, where a close up "realistic shot" was needed, and there was a misunderstanding and failure in the safety chain of custody, and Baldwin thought he had a prop safe firing firearm and discharged it, when in fact he was handed a "hot" firearm for that realistic shot, and it was loaded with live ammo (stupid, but again, I explained how this can happen with cheap/lazy armorer crews, plus this armorer was a young woman new to the job if I read correctly).

[littledan]

Wow how the fuck are you having live ammo on the set and not teaching people the 4 rules of firearm safety. Ffs.

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Yes they totally never point guns at cameras, where the cinematographer would be. Ever. Couldn’t think of a possible scenario.

My point isn't that these rules never get broken on film sets, my point is that Alec Baldwin who is extremely vocally anti-gun clearly doesn't have a problem pulling a trigger on someone for a paycheck.

[Xtrema]

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Yes they totally never point guns at cameras, where the cinematographer would be. Ever. Couldn’t think of a possible scenario.

John Woo probably disagrees.

[suntan]

If you combined Tik-Tok and Xtrema together, it might make a smarter Mar.

[lilmira]

Ban guns in movie, totally unnecessary.

[kertejud2]

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Not necessarily, there are movie/film prop guns designed to fire only blanks/film safe rounds, that won't even accept real ammunition into their magazine, cylinder, or bore. Frequently in these cases, obstructions can get into the bores from the muzzle end or what have you, and these can fly out at pretty substantial fps speeds, enough to wound/kill.

Also, sometimes real firearms ARE on set, even with live ammunition (from lazy companies), as the " camera shot" will show the open cylinder of a single action revolver say, and they DP/director wants the shot to look realistic, hence real looking ammunition which the viewer can see in the open cylinder. IMO when this is done it should always be with prepared and checked dummy rounds with no primer or powder, and NOT live rounds, but again...laziness. Perhaps in this Baldwin incident, it is a case where such a thing was happening, where a close up "realistic shot" was needed, and there was a misunderstanding and failure in the safety chain of custody, and Baldwin thought he had a prop safe firing firearm and discharged it, when in fact he was handed a "hot" firearm for that realistic shot, and it was loaded with live ammo (stupid, but again, I explained how this can happen with cheap/lazy armorer crews, plus this armorer was a young woman new to the job if I read correctly).

This is what happened with Brandon Lee.

Revolver closeup so they had dummy rounds. Bullet got dislodged in the chamber and wasn't cleared properly when the blanks were put in, so when it was fired the blank charge was able to shoot the bullet out.

So if it happened again, oof.