Lucid Air

[bjstare]

Yeah I like the look of this car, as far as EVs go. Not as good as a Taycan, but miles better than a Model S or EQS.

[JustinL]

If you aren't excited by what's being produced today, maybe you just aren't as into cars as you used to be. The 911 GT3 with a 9000RPM red line making 500hp naturally aspirated to the rear wheels wrapped in a beautiful skin; Corvette Z06 with the 670hp flatplane crank, again naturally aspirated and incredibly high revving (not so pretty though); The VAG offerings of Lambo and Audi R8 with n/a V10 rear drive; MacLaren 675LT... etc.. There is a long list of awesome cars being built right now. Being worried about the future and everything becoming electric shouldn't make you any less excited about the right now. I think youtubers have being pushing this narrative a bit too hard for a few years now, Chris Harris is especially guilty saying every car is the last of an era and we're going to miss this when it's gone... but he's been preaching this for years now and yet exciting ICE cars keep coming out and he keeps saying it.

[vengie]

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If you aren't excited by what's being produced today, maybe you just aren't as into cars as you used to be. The 911 GT3 with a 9000RPM red line making 500hp naturally aspirated to the rear wheels wrapped in a beautiful skin; Corvette Z06 with the 670hp flatplane crank, again naturally aspirated and incredibly high revving (not so pretty though); The VAG offerings of Lambo and Audi R8 with n/a V10 rear drive; MacLaren 675LT... etc.. There is a long list of awesome cars being built right now. Being worried about the future and everything becoming electric shouldn't make you any less excited about the right now. I think youtubers have being pushing this narrative a bit too hard for a few years now, Chris Harris is especially guilty saying every car is the last of an era and we're going to miss this when it's gone... but he's been preaching this for years now and yet exciting ICE cars keep coming out and he keeps saying it.

The majority of people aren't going to be buying cars >$250,000.
I would need a significant amount of f*ck you money to entertain the idea.

Supercars are neat, but they don't get me as excited as they once did.
Cars in general for that matter... The older I get the less I care what I drive.

[JustinL]

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Supercars are neat, but they don't get me as excited as they once did.
Cars in general for that matter... The older I get the less I care what I drive.

That's exactly what I'm saying, and it's ok to have your interests change as your life changes. Just be aware, it's not the cars that are changing that fast, it's us.

[Xtrema]

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Supercars are neat, but they don't get me as excited as they once did.
Cars in general for that matter... The older I get the less I care what I drive.

Seems to feel the same way. Again not sure if an age thing or COVID thing. The minute I'm not stuck in traffic 2hrs/day, I have a lot less care what I'm in.

When every car is fast, supercars lost their shine a bit.

And EQXX points to where we are going. Cars will be all about styles and designs.


Also, need to understand how Lucid Air has only 20% more battery cells but yields 50% more range over a Model S plaid. And now Mercedes EQXX say it can do 1000km. What's this black magic?

[Buster]

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That's exactly what I'm saying, and it's ok to have your interests change as your life changes. Just be aware, it's not the cars that are changing that fast, it's us.

I think it's both.

Cars have seen a focus on fuel economy, pedestrian safety (lol), passenger safety, and technology. In other words, they've gotten fat.

The GT3 you mentioned is cool, but it's also huge nowadays. They're the size of a corvette.

[JustinL]

Here's a one for you then. Smaller, mid engined, GT3 engine, RWD, 2 seats, intake next to your ear.

[Buster]

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Here's a one for you then. Smaller, mid engined, GT3 engine, RWD, 2 seats, intake next to your ear.

ya, those looks really good. Can't buy em tho.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

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Here's a one for you then. Smaller, mid engined, GT3 engine, RWD, 2 seats, intake next to your ear.

I heard Dave M has his name down for one, excited to see him get it.

[Buster]

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I heard Dave M has his name down for one, excited to see him get it.

I have no idea who that is.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

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I have no idea who that is.

I believe his is a mutual acquaintance of JustinL and I from private group events at the track.

[Kloubek]

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It should look nice. ST said their tester was 170k USD.

I know! I watched Doug Demuro's review of it and almost coughed at the price. I can appreciate the market they are going after, but I'm not sure how successful they will be if they expect rich people to pay so much for a new, unproven brand.

I guess the same could have been said about Tesla several years back - although at least they tried to keep the pricing somewhat realistic for more of the masses...

[Buster]

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I know! I watched Doug Demuro's review of it and almost coughed at the price. I can appreciate the market they are going after, but I'm not sure how successful they will be if they expect rich people to pay so much for a new, unproven brand.

I guess the same could have been said about Tesla several years back - although at least they tried to keep the pricing somewhat realistic for more of the masses...

The "new unproven brand" thing doesn't matter much any more.

You need a skateboard chassis with a battery and some electric motors. I don't think this is quite off-the-shelf yet, but it will be soon. You need some software engineers. You need coachbuilding, which is basically all done by subcontractors nowadays anyway. You need some chassis engineers.

[JustinL]

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ya, those looks really good. Can't buy em tho.

Difficult to source, yes. But my point is that they are still making REALLY exciting cars even when beyonders aren't that excited about cars anymore.

[Buster]

I think youtube might be partially responsible for ruining car excitement for me.

I'll watch a couple of the youtube reviews of the GT4RS, and then be like "cool" and forget about it.

Cars should be emotional. The sounds. The speeds. The mystique and allure. I think youtube has turned it into a weird insta-star thing with a side order of low subscriber "youtubers". It might not have taken away the physical fun of it...but the electric cars took away the relevance of speed. And social media took away the mystique and allure.

[90_Shelby]

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If you aren't excited by what's being produced today, maybe you just aren't as into cars as you used to be. The 911 GT3 with a 9000RPM red line making 500hp naturally aspirated to the rear wheels wrapped in a beautiful skin; Corvette Z06 with the 670hp flatplane crank, again naturally aspirated and incredibly high revving (not so pretty though); The VAG offerings of Lambo and Audi R8 with n/a V10 rear drive; MacLaren 675LT... etc.. There is a long list of awesome cars being built right now. Being worried about the future and everything becoming electric shouldn't make you any less excited about the right now. I think youtubers have being pushing this narrative a bit too hard for a few years now, Chris Harris is especially guilty saying every car is the last of an era and we're going to miss this when it's gone... but he's been preaching this for years now and yet exciting ICE cars keep coming out and he keeps saying it.

I agree with all of this.

[bjstare]

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I know! I watched Doug Demuro's review of it and almost coughed at the price. I can appreciate the market they are going after, but I'm not sure how successful they will be if they expect rich people to pay so much for a new, unproven brand.

I guess the same could have been said about Tesla several years back - although at least they tried to keep the pricing somewhat realistic for more of the masses...

Not for something comparable to the Lucid - a Model S P100D was like 230k CAD not that many years ago. The difference is Lucid doesn't offer a stripper model like Tesla did.

[Ca_Silvia13]

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Not for something comparable to the Lucid - a Model S P100D was like 230k CAD not that many years ago. The difference is Lucid doesn't offer a stripper model like Tesla did.

Base Model Lucid starts at like 80k USD. So more like Escort money

[eglove]

I love my Tesla M3, but all I wish for is an AWD 88' CRX or an ef sedan with a k20 and ITB's, None of these new cars really excite me anymore.

[Ca_Silvia13]

Also after seeing the review and the windshield in this. Fuck this car. What's replacement cost on one of those, 10k?