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    Quote Originally Posted by OTown View Post
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    Yep that tracks. Unfortunately in this case, the VSC system was meant to neutralize the race. For Checo, the fact Russell was trying to pass perez a few turns back meant he probably thought race was on given the 10-15 second delay was over. Unfortunately it wasnt.

    But ultimately what is shameful is that a VSC is supposed to be there for safety, and if people are racing and gaming the system, then its a system that either needs revamping or needs to go. If people are gaming a delta and trying to jump the gun then IMO that should be punished or rectified systemically (ie fixed speed).

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/to...erez/10342909/

    https://the-race.com/formula-1/how-a...t-of-a-podium/

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    Can clearly see Russell passing perez when the roadside 'electronic flags' are flashing yellow
    Every competitive person, team or driver is going to maximize the rules to their advantage. No rules will stop that.

    Also you need to get your eyes checked, that was a flashing green.
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    People have been gaming the VSC delta for ages. Nothing new about that. Perez was the one trying to game the system and lost. Can't complain about one guy without calling out the other for the exact same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by npham View Post
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    People have been gaming the VSC delta for ages. Nothing new about that. Perez was the one trying to game the system and lost. Can't complain about one guy without calling out the other for the exact same thing.
    Im not saying Perez wasnt also playing around with it, but I am saying that the system obviously needs revamping if people are able to 'race' while under VSC. Purely due to safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OTown View Post
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    Im not saying Perez wasnt also playing around with it, but I am saying that the system obviously needs revamping if people are able to 'race' while under VSC. Purely due to safety.
    Just to be clear, Perez was the only one playing with the delta. Typically thats the case as it’s the lead car trying to get a better gap. He wasn’t paying attention, at one point he was 1/2 a straight ahead before realizing he fucked up and had to slow down a ton to not get penalized. Russell just chilled within his delta the whole time. Then green came on, Perez panicked, wheelspin and that was it.

    There’s no “race” under VSC or SC. Except Perez inexplicably took off full tilt without track green message, which necessitating slowing down to a crawl before the next timing point. It’s a disadvantage to do that every single time because the car behind will have a starting speed advantage if they stayed within delta. The whole point is to drive at delta minimum, anticipate the green, then start a little earlier to hit delta max and have a starting speed advantage compared to the car behind. Perez did it backwards.

    Perez made a mistake. Nothing more nothing less.
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    If you have F1TV, watch Russell's onboard (starting at 1:32:30). George challenges Perez into the chicane at 1:32:50. They are clearly racing while VSC signs are illuminated. George backs off at this point as he realizes its VSC still, then Perez continues as he thinks George still on his tail. Perez then realizes VSC still active halfway down the 2nd straight, has to slow down considerably to the delta, gap gets back to normal. But for some reason you can tell just before the VSC ending part that he is trying to really slow down at which time the VSC actually 'ends'. I guess the question is why Perez had to slow down even more for the delta, but george didn't, even with the same gap between them at that point than before the straight. The glitch basically gave George a jump start from faster speed, which is why Perez gets some wheel spin to speed up. Watch Russell's onboard you will see how fast the gap closes before they go green.

    Both thought the VSC had ended, but it didn't. The FIA know this and have admitted there was a glitch. That's the safety aspect I am talking about.

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    In the end this is all race controls fault. You can argue one jumped the gun but the rules are clear, 10-15 seconds after VSC ending message it should be race on. Race control didn’t follow their own guidelines by not restarting the race and sending out a second VSC message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    In the end this is all race controls fault. You can argue one jumped the gun but the rules are clear, 10-15 seconds after VSC ending message it should be race on. Race control didn’t follow their own guidelines by not restarting the race and sending out a second VSC message.
    The primary system failed and did not display a green light to go on racing, so Race Control triggered the backup system that worked exactly as it should. Race control followed the rules perfectly - but we already covered this a few posts back...

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    Quote Originally Posted by npham View Post
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    The primary system failed and did not display a green light to go on racing, so Race Control triggered the backup system that worked exactly as it should. Race control followed the rules perfectly - but we already covered this a few posts back...
    There’s no point. I dunno why I get sucked into stupid discussions every race. Can’t even tell difference between yellow and green. I swear we’re just being trolled. Or Red Bull fans are just that stupid.
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    You could see when the race really went on checko spun his tires and George went by. I don’t like George but it was a sweet move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    Red Bull fans are just that stupid.
    /pops head up

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    Or Red Bull fans are just that stupid.
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    Red Bell and its fans should really start handing out trigger warnings and passes to the local F1 safe space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    Red Bell and its fans should really start handing out trigger warnings and passes to the local F1 safe space.
    That's how I feel about Lulu fans
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    That's why I just say I have a 4" dick and lift weights to make up for it.
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    My car sounds like shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilDrunkenSmurf View Post
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    That's how I feel about Lulu fans
    Who's the LULU fan? i cant tell>?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team_Mclaren View Post
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    Who's the LULU fan? i cant tell>?
    I think he misconstrued Busters comment. The Lewis fans are the ones that need to receive those trigger warnings so they can plug their ears before anyone says anything factual that might offend them.

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    What if I like Lewis but thing he should retire anyway?
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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    Lulu > Maxipad all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    What if I like Lewis but thing he should retire anyway?
    Was actually talking about this with some friends, Lewis at late 30s is driving at his best right now. Same with Alonso in his 40s, maybe with a little less consistency and a few more mistakes. Looking back at the other old timers, a younger Vettel lost it long ago. Schumacher and Kimi couldn’t sustain the performance Lewis and Alonso are showing at the same age. I’d like to see both of them keep going, and hope Alonso hits a top team to show what he can really do before he retires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    Was actually talking about this with some friends, Lewis at late 30s is driving at his best right now. Same with Alonso in his 40s, maybe with a little less consistency and a few more mistakes. Looking back at the other old timers, a younger Vettel lost it long ago. Schumacher and Kimi couldn’t sustain the performance Lewis and Alonso are showing at the same age. I’d like to see both of them keep going, and hope Alonso hits a top team to show what he can really do before he retires.
    All personal biases aside. I'd like to see the guys that have already made more money than they will ever know what to do with, step down and make room for some young up and coming talent to try and forge their own legacy.

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